Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
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Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
How does your character react to meeting a drow?
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
Run or fight, depending on the character.
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Any of the above answers except "hoping to redeem" it. I prefer playing racist/intolerant/classist/overzealous characters as a general rule, even if (ESPECIALLY IF) they are good-aligned.
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
None of the above.
Neutral stoicism until they either leave or give my character a reason to fight.
Neutral stoicism until they either leave or give my character a reason to fight.
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
Most of the time my characters will run but there are a few characters that have been crazy enough to fight. I've only ever had one character befriend a drow and that was mainly because he didn't know it was a drow for a long while.
Generally, as a personal rule, my characters see Underdarkers (yes, all of them) as monsters.
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Generally, as a personal rule, my characters see Underdarkers (yes, all of them) as monsters.
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
None of the above.
Jadoth will go out of his way to be as obnoxiously friendly, cheerful, and adorable as he possibly can towards drow.
He doesn't see any point in going all "grrr kill the drow" because he's under the belief that the weakest drow is more powerful than the strongest surfacer, but he also doesn't see any point in cowering before the drow because they want to be feared and fearing them would be giving them what they want.
So he does neither, and simply acts like an annoying brat (even more so than usual ) towards them.
Jadoth will go out of his way to be as obnoxiously friendly, cheerful, and adorable as he possibly can towards drow.
He doesn't see any point in going all "grrr kill the drow" because he's under the belief that the weakest drow is more powerful than the strongest surfacer, but he also doesn't see any point in cowering before the drow because they want to be feared and fearing them would be giving them what they want.
So he does neither, and simply acts like an annoying brat (even more so than usual ) towards them.
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A very badly formulated poll.
IT depends on moment. Friends of Brizshala would no doubts fight Drow, but certainly would not fight her/others.
And so on
IT depends on moment. Friends of Brizshala would no doubts fight Drow, but certainly would not fight her/others.
And so on
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PK killbash with minimal RP OFC :3
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
Run/Fight Bargain/Threaten.
Some circumstantial selection of one/all of these. Somewhere in between all of that, there is a very, VERY small window to convince some of my characters that an individual might be an exception to the evil stabby monster mothers tell their children about.
And a much larger window to convince them it was all a ploy to get them to drop their guard.
Some circumstantial selection of one/all of these. Somewhere in between all of that, there is a very, VERY small window to convince some of my characters that an individual might be an exception to the evil stabby monster mothers tell their children about.
And a much larger window to convince them it was all a ploy to get them to drop their guard.
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Run or fight. Yes. It's drow. A monster. A danger to the surface. Not a nice, sweet, cute exception. If they're telling you they serve Eilistraee, they're very likely to be lying. Kill it.
This question shouldn't have to be asked, really.
I would even go so far as to say anyone assisting drow, giving them the benefit of the doubt or even so much as tolerating them, should be considered dangerous; a possible threat as well.
This question shouldn't have to be asked, really.
I would even go so far as to say anyone assisting drow, giving them the benefit of the doubt or even so much as tolerating them, should be considered dangerous; a possible threat as well.
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
That goes the other way too. A drow meeting a group of surfaces has better hide or run.
It all depends on the situation and the characters.
It all depends on the situation and the characters.
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I would say Fight but honestly,none of them because all the times my character found drow they were pretty well hiding their identity (with helmet on,hood,and maybe even barskin) so my character goes friendly with them thinking they are an elf,after a while if he discovers my character confronts the drow...(OOC'ly giving a chance to run) and if they decide to fight,i fight
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I had the impression that they must use -disguise and not just rely on helmets and hoods and bark skin.Cybernet21 wrote:I would say Fight but honestly,none of them because all the times my character found drow they were pretty well hiding their identity (with helmet on,hood,and maybe even barskin) so my character goes friendly with them thinking they are an elf,after a while if he discovers my character confronts the drow...(OOC'ly giving a chance to run) and if they decide to fight,i fight
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Aero Silver wrote:I had the impression that they must use -disguise and not just rely on helmets and hoods and bark skin.Cybernet21 wrote:I would say Fight but honestly,none of them because all the times my character found drow they were pretty well hiding their identity (with helmet on,hood,and maybe even barskin) so my character goes friendly with them thinking they are an elf,after a while if he discovers my character confronts the drow...(OOC'ly giving a chance to run) and if they decide to fight,i fight
When covered you cannot tell Elf from Drow. Using name as indicator is not proper IMHO.
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Your opinion is, unfortunately, not supported by empirical evidence discussed several times in the Disguise threads. It stands to reason if its the FIRST time someone is ever interacting with you in character, such effects would be enough to conceal your identity, but if they've seen you before, spoken to you before, etc. and you weren't under such effects, not using the disguise feature means they are assumed to recognize you by default through various other character specific quirks, like gait, sound of voice, body language and so forth. If you wish to attempt to remain unrecognized then -disguise is mandatory in any situation where a character COULD recognize you.flower wrote:Aero Silver wrote:I had the impression that they must use -disguise and not just rely on helmets and hoods and bark skin.Cybernet21 wrote:I would say Fight but honestly,none of them because all the times my character found drow they were pretty well hiding their identity (with helmet on,hood,and maybe even barskin) so my character goes friendly with them thinking they are an elf,after a while if he discovers my character confronts the drow...(OOC'ly giving a chance to run) and if they decide to fight,i fight
When covered you cannot tell Elf from Drow. Using name as indicator is not proper IMHO.
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When you havent seen that person you cannot tell the difference.
And you will not be able to tell it on next encounter as well, as you had no clue before too.
And many people choose to play they did not recognized the person (their choice).
And you will not be able to tell it on next encounter as well, as you had no clue before too.
And many people choose to play they did not recognized the person (their choice).
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
WYSIWYG.
(What You See is What You Get)
If you are not using the -disguise feature, you can be presumed to not be going to any great length to disguise/conceal your character. Ergo if the other player has any reason to susspect your character is a Drow (description, concealed body, ect) then they can act on such. - coverings or no.
(That said - you as a character can't 'see' another characters name. So if that is really your one 'clue' please think twice before using it to presume a character is a Drow.)
However if a player wants to rule that, because the Drow is fully covered they can't recognise them as such - I've absolutly no problem with that either. But when in doubt- if you want to be concealing such an aspect, use the -disguise feature.
(What You See is What You Get)
If you are not using the -disguise feature, you can be presumed to not be going to any great length to disguise/conceal your character. Ergo if the other player has any reason to susspect your character is a Drow (description, concealed body, ect) then they can act on such. - coverings or no.
(That said - you as a character can't 'see' another characters name. So if that is really your one 'clue' please think twice before using it to presume a character is a Drow.)
However if a player wants to rule that, because the Drow is fully covered they can't recognise them as such - I've absolutly no problem with that either. But when in doubt- if you want to be concealing such an aspect, use the -disguise feature.
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Is why you ask travelers to remove helmet, to speak face to face (beside it being a polite thing to do:) ).
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I miss the days when Fight & Run were basically the only options
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Agreed, how do you prove they follow Eilistraee rather than Lloth? Easiest to kill them and let the gods sort them out~Pavor Nocturnus wrote:Run or fight. Yes. It's drow. A monster. A danger to the surface. Not a nice, sweet, cute exception. If they're telling you they serve Eilistraee, they're very likely to be lying. Kill it.
This question shouldn't have to be asked, really.
I would even go so far as to say anyone assisting drow, giving them the benefit of the doubt or even so much as tolerating them, should be considered dangerous; a possible threat as well.
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Laughter, encouragement, play - not simply just for fools.
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Re: Consensus on surface attitude encountering the drow
Forgotten Realms elves are not Greyhawk (core D&D) elves. Forgotten Realms elves are on average as tall as humans- only drow follow the short heights of core elves, making them stand out in stature as well as skin tone and language.flower wrote:When covered you cannot tell Elf from Drow. Using name as indicator is not proper IMHO.
You can still tell that both creatures are elves if you're given a chance to look at their faces, but even an ignorant human who'd never met an elf before would know that one of those things isn't like the other.
The difference is like standing Shaq next to Larry Bird. They're both basketball players, but you would never mistake one for the other.
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What about smaller elves and taller drow... I think it’s ok to rp to be at least unsure about the identity of an stoneskinned drow. ... This is one reason (besides many others) why I would like to see some standard elements in character descriptions. (e.g. a drow might carry other equipment)
"Just being nice and talk like normal" seems to be a common tactic to avoid PvP.
When playing Underdark characters this is most irritating.
I want to give two typical examples:
1) Sneaky UD goblin rogue pops up and demands the gold of an single unprepared character: 5% take it serious, rp a threat, and pay an reasonable amount of gold. 5% just walk on and try to ignore you. 20% drop 1 gold coin. And 70% talk, talk, negotiate, lamentation, talk, talk.... - even if you rp extrem anger and preparing to attack.
2) Orog walks the surface and meets a group of others. Does not care to hide he is one of the Darklands.... Reation: Invitation to hunt together (???)
So: Please rp hostility or you rob my fun!
(And somehow goblins are most likely hunted while orogs not so much - size seem to matter
"Just being nice and talk like normal" seems to be a common tactic to avoid PvP.
When playing Underdark characters this is most irritating.
I want to give two typical examples:
1) Sneaky UD goblin rogue pops up and demands the gold of an single unprepared character: 5% take it serious, rp a threat, and pay an reasonable amount of gold. 5% just walk on and try to ignore you. 20% drop 1 gold coin. And 70% talk, talk, negotiate, lamentation, talk, talk.... - even if you rp extrem anger and preparing to attack.
2) Orog walks the surface and meets a group of others. Does not care to hide he is one of the Darklands.... Reation: Invitation to hunt together (???)
So: Please rp hostility or you rob my fun!
(And somehow goblins are most likely hunted while orogs not so much - size seem to matter
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What’s wrong with trying to RP your way out of PVP?
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I think the point they are trying to make Jadoth, is that they aren't Rping it at all, just shrugging it off and ignoring it.cptcuddlepants wrote:What’s wrong with trying to RP your way out of PVP?