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Named Spells

Post by Kuma » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:44 am

Spells like Mordenkainen's x, Tenser's x, Melf's x, Isaac's x, Shelgarn's x etc etc etc.

Should we remove the "names" and leave them as, say, "Disjunction"?
Should we keep the names? Should we make them Arelith or FR specific?

I'm curious. These names travelled across the planes, canonically, as the names for various spells through the Realms despite many of these mages not actually existing in the Realms.

Meanwhile, Nybor invented Wrathful Castigation, but she isn't referenced.

I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on the matter, now that we have haks and can easily do this.
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Re: Named Spells

Post by ltlukoziuz » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:15 am

I believe names should be kept, and actually, more of them should be tacked on, like with Nybor's Wrathful Castigation mentioned by the OP. It adds flavor to the wizardry and spellcasting and also lets people innovate upon them.

But for the spells mentioned, Mordenkainen has been to FR, and worked with Elminster, so it wouldn't be too weird if he also brought in the spells of his colleagues - Tenser and Melfs'. As for Isaac and Shelgarn - they are already FR-based, as their spells are unique to both NWN games and not been anywhere outside in that naming.


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Re: Named Spells

Post by aergnist » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:51 pm

One of my pet peeves with Pathfinder is that they have all these spells but stripped them of the cool origin names without putting new ones, and I've always been secretly sad that newer versions of D&D removed the name from Horrid Wilting.

So yeah, I'm very much for keeping the names, and to try to include them in new additions.

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Re: Named Spells

Post by TimeAdept » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:59 pm

ltlukoziuz wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:15 am
I believe names should be kept, and actually, more of them should be tacked on, like with Nybor's Wrathful Castigation mentioned by the OP. It adds flavor to the wizardry and spellcasting and also lets people innovate upon them.

But for the spells mentioned, Mordenkainen has been to FR, and worked with Elminster, so it wouldn't be too weird if he also brought in the spells of his colleagues - Tenser and Melfs'. As for Isaac and Shelgarn - they are already FR-based, as their spells are unique to both NWN games and not been anywhere outside in that naming.
Absolutely keep the names and add more.

Bring back Abu-Dhalzim's Horrid Wilting!

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Re: Named Spells

Post by Might-N-Magic » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:09 am

Leave them. Canonically they exist and it makes no sense for them to suddenly be "forgotten."

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Re: Named Spells

Post by Kuma » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:01 am

my pet peeve is really just the ones that are "well they're canon! they were brought by elminster, who met mordenkainen! in LITERALLY ED GREENWOOD'S GOD DAMN HOUSE BECAUSE HE'S A HORRIFYINGLY BAD WRITER"


i feel this is a valid opinion to have


in this case then i'd push for adding MORE names to spells. nybor's wrathful castigation, etc etc.
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Re: Named Spells

Post by ActionReplay » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:42 pm

Actually agreed, I'll update WC and Horrid Wilting. Any other names?

Also would be cool to see Arelith specific character in names for a new unique spell.

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Re: Named Spells

Post by Anime Sword Fighter » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:55 pm

Maybe a cool DM/dev event with the server's mages experimenting new spell stuff could be cool in adding some new named spells in down the line. Making and researching new spells is some cool Wizard RP even though we can't really actually do it in game based on game limitations

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Re: Named Spells

Post by TimeAdept » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:52 am

ActionReplay wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:42 pm
Actually agreed, I'll update WC and Horrid Wilting. Any other names?

Also would be cool to see Arelith specific character in names for a new unique spell.
Scorching Ray is a good candidate for Aganazzar's Scorcher, but that involves renaming all that stuff.

You could consider adding the other Nybor's spells as well if you wanted to add more to Enchantment.

https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... der--1651/
https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... ent--1652/
https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... oof--1653/

Zajimarn's Field of Icy Razors could be Glacial Wrath.

Otto's Irresistible Dance.

https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... res--1691/ - could be an improved Chromatic Sphere.

Abi-Dalzim’s Horrid Wilting is the correct spelling per the WotC website, I spelled ti wrong.

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Re: Named Spells

Post by ActionReplay » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 am

TimeAdept wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:52 am
ActionReplay wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:42 pm
Actually agreed, I'll update WC and Horrid Wilting. Any other names?

Also would be cool to see Arelith specific character in names for a new unique spell.
Scorching Ray is a good candidate for Aganazzar's Scorcher, but that involves renaming all that stuff.

You could consider adding the other Nybor's spells as well if you wanted to add more to Enchantment.

https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... der--1651/
https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... ent--1652/
https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... oof--1653/

Zajimarn's Field of Icy Razors could be Glacial Wrath.

Otto's Irresistible Dance.

https://dndtools.net/spells/magic-of-fa ... res--1691/ - could be an improved Chromatic Sphere.

Abi-Dalzim’s Horrid Wilting is the correct spelling per the WotC website, I spelled ti wrong.
Thanks for this. I'll have a look at it and add it in. Field of Icy Razors is a different spell from Glacial Wrath and we already have code for this one for Wild Mages its just not in yet as an official spell but may be down the line.

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Re: Named Spells

Post by TimeAdept » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:17 pm

And if you're ever in the avenue of considering new epic spells, there's always Tolodine's Killing Wind that a certain epic boss already uses! :D

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Re: Named Spells

Post by -XXX- » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Ayin Savvix-Urhun Zrask Mesmer's Incendiary Cloud

Kathele Meilea Se'Lhane's Transformation

Bel'Qualyn Do'Neld's Planar Binding

Verankht Zarunkumar's Missile Storm

Sandrhir Leonas's Disjunction

Jacob Swift's Expeditious Retreat

:geek: :P :lol:

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