How important is improved KD?
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How important is improved KD?
I have a full BAB melee build and two feats to choose pre-epic. How much will I be gimped if I ignore IKD + one other (from whirlwind attack, great cleave, toughness, called shot etc) and go left field like unarmed strike and deflect arrows?
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Thoughts very welcome.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
If you like to have frost and fire giant shamans on their back, very important.
For me at least, on a meleer, IKD before called shot.
For me at least, on a meleer, IKD before called shot.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
Makes sense to me. Thanks.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
Dragons too! No better way to keep a Dragon at bay than an IKD spam!
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Being able to KD a dragon seems rather odd to me.
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I don't even think it's supposed to be possible in the description of IKD, but it happens anyway.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
They're called kneecaps.Sab1 wrote:Being able to KD a dragon seems rather odd to me.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
Improved KD is a great feat for high AB meleers, like WMs, brycers or battle-clerics, less so for melee characters with AB that tends toward the lower 40s like spellswords.
Simply because the +4 will put you into the "danger zone" so to speak for the target's discipline score on a high AB character; whereas it won't really put you anywhere you weren't before as far as percentages go for those guys with less AB.
Simply because the +4 will put you into the "danger zone" so to speak for the target's discipline score on a high AB character; whereas it won't really put you anywhere you weren't before as far as percentages go for those guys with less AB.
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It says you count as one size category larger, which allows you to KD things that are one size category larger than you could KD without it. A halfling, for example, can target anything with IKD that a human could target with KD.susitsu wrote:I don't even think it's supposed to be possible in the description of IKD, but it happens anyway.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
Because if my character can carry over 2000lbs, why can't he knock a Dragon's kneecaps to another server?
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Re: How important is improved KD?
Because KD is the equivalent of a bull rush, and that dragon can carry 20000lbs, and should knock you all the way back to Windows 95
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Re: How important is improved KD?
IKD is one of the most important damage-mitigating feats out there. It's super-dee-duper important.
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Let's don't tug at this realism thread too hard, guys.
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I was considering the importance of IKD for a bard/blackguard/fighter build of mine, trying to determine if Epic Weapon Specialization is worth taking over IKD.
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Re: How important is improved KD?
I've had characters without IKD and Expertise. You can be fine without it! Might even be nice to op for consistent hitting over risk.
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Yes. Epic Weapon Specialisation is a feat you absolutely should take as a melee character. Do not drop that for IKD.falafel wrote:I was considering the importance of IKD for a bard/blackguard/fighter build of mine, trying to determine if Epic Weapon Specialization is worth taking over IKD.
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gilescorey wrote:Yes. Epic Weapon Specialisation is a feat you absolutely should take as a melee character. Do not drop that for IKD.falafel wrote:I was considering the importance of IKD for a bard/blackguard/fighter build of mine, trying to determine if Epic Weapon Specialization is worth taking over IKD.
If you already do 30+ per hit that +4 isn't too noticeable. But if you are a dexer it can be life or death. IKD for STR, Epic Weapon Spec for DEX.
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4 damage is absolutely noticeable, what are you talking about?SwampFoot wrote:If you already do 30+ per hit that +4 isn't too noticeable. But if you are a dexer it can be life or death. IKD for STR, Epic Weapon Spec for DEX.
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Bard is about the only build when IDK vs EWS is even debatable. I assume you have 22-23 bard lvl?falafel wrote:I was considering the importance of IKD for a bard/blackguard/fighter build of mine, trying to determine if Epic Weapon Specialization is worth taking over IKD.
If you are str based go with IKD.
If dex, EWS.
Imho.
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It definitely is noticeable, even at 30+ damage per hit. Even at 40 damage, EWS is a 10% increase in damage--about the same as the 10.5-12.5% damage increase you get when you hit your 7th WM level on a scimitar WM (12.5% increase if you don't have a keen scimitar, 10.5% increase if you do).gilescorey wrote:4 damage is absolutely noticeable, what are you talking about?SwampFoot wrote:If you already do 30+ per hit that +4 isn't too noticeable. But if you are a dexer it can be life or death. IKD for STR, Epic Weapon Spec for DEX.
It's obviously less noticeable on a 40-damage character than it is on a 20-damage character though, in terms of percent increase in damage. It is definitely true that the lower your damage is, the more important it is to have EWS.
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Thank you for th answers. The build would be 20bard/6fighter/4BG and having Strength as their main attribute.