Arelith

Is there a single thing that Clerics gain mechanically from taking this focus? It seems rather . . bare.

My friend game to me and told me that he took Divination Foci for Clerics and was telling me how useless Divination Focus was. My first gut reaction was: "But what about Feeblemind and the Power Word family of spells!?"

. . . Turns out clerics don't have those spells. Turns out they really don't as far as I know gain anything from taking this feat other than the ability to Scry and increased timer on True Seeing.

Can there be some love to clerics with Divination Foci? I totally get that not everything needs to be able to use everything and it be viable, but as a spell casting class, for there to be next to no nothing seems kind of bad.

Ive had divination foci for about 2 years and a half on my cleric.

It gives no benefit whatsoever besides from the -scry ability.

some would say thats enough on its own, but those people would be wrong.

A minor thing, but divination focus does buff the effects of True Seeing for Arelith.

- Divination foci add to the rounds of True Seeing granted by the Truesight spell. Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus add one round each, while Epic Spell Focus adds two rounds.

Part of the problem is clerics don't actually get any divination spells (Other than True Seeing) outside of Knowledge Domain.

As far as I know, changing that needs haks.

Hunter548 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:50 pm

Part of the problem is clerics don't actually get any divination spells (Other than True Seeing) outside of Knowledge Domain.

As far as I know, changing that needs haks.

:c

There could be something though! It just needs some attention.

A potential solution could be for taking divination focus to give a PC a widget in their inventory from which they can cast certain divination spells x/day. Just need to make sure that the item is nontransferable.

Miaou wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:14 pm

A minor thing, but divination focus does buff the effects of True Seeing for Arelith.

- Divination foci add to the rounds of True Seeing granted by the Truesight spell. Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus add one round each, while Epic Spell Focus adds two rounds.

This isnt the case, truesight only lasts 1 round, with 2 rounds at extended. it gives see invisibility but thats already turns/level. divination foci do not affect the length of this.

Epic divination should give turns / level true sight for clerics.

Diilicious wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:21 am

Miaou wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:14 pm

A minor thing, but divination focus does buff the effects of True Seeing for Arelith.

- Divination foci add to the rounds of True Seeing granted by the Truesight spell. Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus add one round each, while Epic Spell Focus adds two rounds.

This isnt the case, truesight only lasts 1 round, with 2 rounds at extended. it gives see invisibility but thats already turns/level. divination foci do not affect the length of this.

Epic divination should give turns / level true sight for clerics.

If a divner each feat prolongs TS by one. So in theory extended is 2 + 3.

Not sure if it stacks with metamagic or even works as described.

Greater divination tho grants infinite see invisible.


In general i would like some minor tweaks to clerics as they feel now as poor relatives compared to paladins / spellswords.

The invisibility purge spell already gives you see invisibility though.. as well as removing the spell from everyone in the area to boot. and is turns per level. and is level 3 spell instead of 5, 4, or 6.

5 rounds of true sight is nothing, I could understand clerics that dont have any divination foci not having a long lasting truesight, but you get nothing for divination foci with a cleric besides scry.

Diilicious wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:21 am

This isnt the case, truesight only lasts 1 round, with 2 rounds at extended. it gives see invisibility but thats already turns/level. divination foci do not affect the length of this.

Epic divination should give turns / level true sight for clerics.

Then I suggest you report this to the bug forum if you have experienced this! It worked for me in the past with no issue.

Even though it is a minor buff, it is still something gained besides Scry. Could there be more? Sure. But there is something.

It would be nice if any cookies given to divination clerics were also given to divination druids. They're in the same boat.

Hazard wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:11 am

It would be nice if any cookies given to divination clerics were also given to divination druids. They're in the same boat.

Except druids are generally in a better boat overall than clerics.

I would say that druids should get something as well. IMO taking three feats to get divination as a class shouldn't be a penalty for just RP reasons. I always am of the mind that mechanical and RP aspects should work in harmony.

Not all feats offer mechanical incentives. You shouldn't expect every feat to benefit your character from a mechanics perspective. Clerics do some things well, & divination is not one of them. It is a conscious decision to choose that spell focus & know it will only give you one cookie, scry.

Honestly, I think the reason people want more 'cookies' for Epic Divination focus is because -scry is in such a sad place right now. It definitely needs to last way, way longer than it does.

I'd say a minute per epic caster level would be a fair increase in its usefulness.

Arguably druids and clerics may have a benefit since it's usually easier to regain 5% piety than 5 spell component charges. Failed scries and useless attempts really stung on my wizard, I just shrug it off on my cleric.

Still I could see clerics with divination having an extra divine scrying RP tool, like maybe being able to sense clues about the deity someone worships (within reason and counterable somehow) or being able to "see" what's happening around a consecrated altar

If scry lasted longer I don't think anyone would mind taking 3 whole feats for it.

Would be nice if it was increased to something like 5 minutes. Maybe a -scry command to open a little menu that lets you pick between 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 minute long scry, or just making it 5 minute and able to exit at anytime.

I'd rather not be stuck for 5 minutes watching someone AFK real hard or engage in cyber light stuff.

For me the problem is rather how buggy / dangerous (-ward teleport) and easy to counter -scry is.

IMO, cool things to add would be:

-being able to locate characters.
I guess it would be difficult to implement cardinal directions, so perhaps just giving the area they're in as text output works. Limited uses per day?

-being able to sense presence.
If there's someone in the area stealthing, invisible, scrying, what have you, you can sense that "someone" (perhaps how many?) is there without spotting them. Put it on CD?

-other stuff like this?

This isn't exclusive to clerics, though, of course, so idk.

Scry location instead of character? Must be some place you visited first and within a reasonable time, but then you can watch who comes and goes from elsewhere.