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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by Sockss » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:01 pm

It wouldn't change much after people adapted to it.

The same as not allowing skill dumps. It'd just make build orders slightly more complex and reduce the total amount of skill points across the majority of characters.

UMD is a far cry away from required as it is currently. It's nice to have, but you can still be competitive without it.

Making changes for the sake of making them, without a clear problem to solve (which I don't agree there is one here at all), is not wise.
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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by Wings of Peace » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:47 am

All I want from Timestop is a limit to how many times it can occur over certain periods of time in an area. Faction vs. faction pvp grinds to a halt when both sides have multiple casters because it's a daisy chain of timestops.

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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by JediMindTrix » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:15 pm

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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by Aelryn Bloodmoon » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:44 am

flower wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:12 am
do you think people got 40 UMD?
I don't, but that's kind of the whole point. From a design perspective, Devs have recently introduced items with UMD requirements exceeding 40+, which is a pretty clear directive that in their vision not every character should be able to use every thing with just a 3 level dip and 33 ranks.

I don't think the suggestion that higher level spells should follow suit is that outrageous.
flower wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:12 am
It would force majority of people to relevel
I think this is much less of an inconvenience than you're making it out to be. In the first place, if you dipped a UMD class, you can most likely literally lose exactly enough XP to be one XP away from 30 and wait six minutes for an RP tick. 33 ranks at 8 charisma will still cover most spells- since UMD dips are almost always finished at 30.

Are we really arguing that non-caster classes become completely non-viable without access to all spells of all levels at 15 ranks of UMD?
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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by TimeAdept » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:10 am

Aelryn Bloodmoon wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:44 am
flower wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:12 am
do you think people got 40 UMD?
I don't, but that's kind of the whole point. From a design perspective, Devs have recently introduced items with UMD requirements exceeding 40+, which is a pretty clear directive that in their vision not every character should be able to use every thing with just a 3 level dip and 33 ranks.

I don't think the suggestion that higher level spells should follow suit is that outrageous.
flower wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:12 am
It would force majority of people to relevel
I think this is much less of an inconvenience than you're making it out to be. In the first place, if you dipped a UMD class, you can most likely literally lose exactly enough XP to be one XP away from 30 and wait six minutes for an RP tick. 33 ranks at 8 charisma will still cover most spells- since UMD dips are almost always finished at 30.

Are we really arguing that non-caster classes become completely non-viable without access to all spells of all levels at 15 ranks of UMD?
There's a reason no one makes non-UMD builds anymore now that Kensai is gone.

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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by WanderingPoet » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:16 am

TimeAdept wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:10 am
There's a reason no one makes non-UMD builds anymore now that Kensai is gone.
Except for the ton of the people that make non-UMD builds.
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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by Ork » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:16 pm

UMD & Timestop & Tumble are the literal dead horses of Arelith. We keep pounding away. I think a lot of posts concerning timestop are from the PvP unfamiliar - the majority of Arelith. It's frustrating when 10 timestops go off, but the scrolls do play an important role in balance. It's annoying, sure, but changing anything to do with the scrolls have ramifications. The recent change to timestop fixed a lot of the problem with the spell - I think we're good for another 10 years.

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Re: Timestop Suggestions

Post by Aodh Lazuli » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:43 am

Ork wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:16 pm
UMD & Timestop & Tumble are the literal dead horses of Arelith. We keep pounding away.
Don't forget quarter doors, pickpocket, disarm, knockdown and discipline. Our floor is littered with horsecorpses.
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