Planar Ally/Binding Decoupling
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Planar Ally/Binding Decoupling
... from conjuration bonuses.
Hey! What's the decision behind this?
Is another buff to these summons in the works? That'd be great! The hours/level duration is super nice but this is still, mechanically, a nerf to these summons who were already largely useless past mid-to-late teens (I am speaking mostly of tier-4 GPB summons *is a biased arcane caster*). Thanks.
Hey! What's the decision behind this?
Is another buff to these summons in the works? That'd be great! The hours/level duration is super nice but this is still, mechanically, a nerf to these summons who were already largely useless past mid-to-late teens (I am speaking mostly of tier-4 GPB summons *is a biased arcane caster*). Thanks.
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For what's it's worth, I was about to create a post like this myself. Even an extended Greater Planar binding didn't last terribly long in combat, and was usually a backup at best. Now... Well, they look cool? Good if you don't have the Elemental summon streams?
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Yeah. I'm mostly concerned with the scaling of tier-4 summons in epics. The hours-long duration doesn't matter when they die in seconds. Still, I'll take what I can get if it means more thematically-appropriate summons for my wild mage. EDIT: gosh I sound so ungrateful. Sorry!triaddraykin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:38 pmFor what's it's worth, I was about to create a post like this myself. Even an extended Greater Planar binding didn't last terribly long in combat, and was usually a backup at best. Now... Well, they look cool? Good if you don't have the Elemental summon streams?
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They're great if you only want to circle grind low level area's...
But isn't that the sort of thing we want to discourage?
But isn't that the sort of thing we want to discourage?
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I've a feeling like it has something to do with this. There must be more powerful summoning streams out there to draw from that warrant the decoupling.Several new streams are now hidden throughout the gameworld.
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By 'decoupling,' this is what is meant: The Planar line of spells retain a +2 bonus to relevant stats regardless of whether the PC has Conjuration feats or not. This, combined with their lengthy duration, means they will be useful for casters who did not go Conjuration (and will occasionally be a decent alternate summon for those that did.) The goal was to make Conjuration slightly less mandatory for spellcasters looking to do things on their own.Wytchee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:59 pm... from conjuration bonuses.
Hey! What's the decision behind this?
Is another buff to these summons in the works? That'd be great! The hours/level duration is super nice but this is still, mechanically, a nerf to these summons who were already largely useless past mid-to-late teens (I am speaking mostly of tier-4 GPB summons *is a biased arcane caster*). Thanks.
This was not fully explained in the announcement post, which is my fault. The update had a lot of moving parts and full documentation of it all is still pending.
That aside, ork is correct in that there are new summons available for this line of spells, hidden in the gameworld.
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Cool. Can't wait to find them. I just hope they're useful beyond level 17, otherwise everyone will just use the elementals.yellowcateyes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:08 amThat aside, ork is correct in that there are new summons available for this line of spells, hidden in the gameworld.
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Thank you very much for giving us the full explanation behind this. That's truly appreciated and now that I understand it, it's a wonderful decision in my opinion.
yellowcateyes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:08 amBy 'decoupling,' this is what is meant: The Planar line of spells retain a +2 bonus to relevant stats regardless of whether the PC has Conjuration feats or not. This, combined with their lengthy duration, means they will be useful for casters who did not go Conjuration (and will occasionally be a decent alternate summon for those that did.) The goal was to make Conjuration slightly less mandatory for spellcasters looking to do things on their own.Wytchee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:59 pm... from conjuration bonuses.
Hey! What's the decision behind this?
Is another buff to these summons in the works? That'd be great! The hours/level duration is super nice but this is still, mechanically, a nerf to these summons who were already largely useless past mid-to-late teens (I am speaking mostly of tier-4 GPB summons *is a biased arcane caster*). Thanks.
This was not fully explained in the announcement post, which is my fault. The update had a lot of moving parts and full documentation of it all is still pending.
That aside, ork is correct in that there are new summons available for this line of spells, hidden in the gameworld.
Alia: The uncanny knack of Angela Amana to make the otherwise perpetually well-mannered girl lose her temper and be HORRIBLY ASHAMED afterwards.
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Re: Planar Ally/Binding Decoupling
Almost makes me want to remake now that conjuration is not super-mandatory. Conjuration never felt right for my wild mage, but I took it anyway to avoid pulling my hair out.
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Wish I could just upvote triaddraykin, but thanks++ for the clarifications Will these new streams work with the existing prisms? Can you tell us if they're books or fixed location secrets (e.g. Vampire)yellowcateyes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:08 amThat aside, ork is correct in that there are new summons available for this line of spells, hidden in the gameworld.
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New streams will work with existing prisms. The rest will have to be discovered IG.
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Thank you for the new content! Really great!
One question:
Now that Greater planar binding is the last long duration outsider summon, would it be possible to have it included into the list of summon spells that is affected by epic levels? Like summon creature IX, Gate (which is short lived), and so forth.
One question:
Now that Greater planar binding is the last long duration outsider summon, would it be possible to have it included into the list of summon spells that is affected by epic levels? Like summon creature IX, Gate (which is short lived), and so forth.
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It is possible. We'll consider the suggestion.
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I would really appreciate this too!Alox wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:59 pmThank you for the new content! Really great!
One question:
Now that Greater planar binding is the last long duration outsider summon, would it be possible to have it included into the list of summon spells that is affected by epic levels? Like summon creature IX, Gate (which is short lived), and so forth.
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