Drop Feedback

[RedGiant]

While I generally like the current loot changes, some of it seems to be killing the consumable economy. I now regularly find high end scrolls, even of the ninth circle. Heck we even put in scroll cases to store them all!

As a player who has played a PC scribe merchant making a tidy profit for a long time, my sales in scrolls are literally now zero.

Potions were already somewhat more liberally dispersed by NPCs, and additions such as the Tinkers expanded this in limited fashion, but certain markets of potions are now entirely dead as well.

I recall we took out several potions and scrolls options provided by NPCs in the past, specifically to reemphasize the PC economy.

Is the current course entirely wise? Do we need to dial consumable drops back some?

[If Valor Were Inches]

I strongly disagree. Having adventured in a few places, I've -never- seen a high level scroll. It may be certain dungeons, but even then, they're not common drops. I also tend to find the same scroll over and over again, and typically not the ones that people would be interested in buying.

So for my scroll maker, this isn't making a noticeable dent (if any) on her scroll sales.

Maybe it's just my luck though, they're nice loot, but they're not ruining any economies in my opinion.

[RedGiant]

I should clarify, the scrolls aren't just drops on monsters, but now found liberally in bookcases, etc.

I'm even finding scrolls which should be PC only IMO, such as elemental swarm.

[TimeAdept]

For sure noticed an uptick in higher level scrolls and scrolls in general, especially from bookcases. I find Timestop, elemental Swarm, Mord, Meteor Swarm.

[Opustus]

For sure noticed an uptick in higher level scrolls and scrolls in general, especially from bookcases. I find Timestop, elemental Swarm, Mord, Meteor Swarm.

Ditto. In fairly low level grounds as well! I've just sold them at 350 to the scrolly merchant, because I can't be arsed to packrat everything, but I haven't noticed an increase of scrolls sold in the player markets either, unless they're indeed so common that people who need scrolls are able to sustain their own scroll needs without the friendly neighbourhood wizard.

[Ork]

I think you're being a little melodramatic.

[JediMindTrix]

I think you're being a little melodramatic.

[Thanatosis]

I have noticed a very very low rate of stream books (like fire, air, demon, etc.) dropping from shelves in favour of these new scrolls.

While the scrolls are nice and I don't mind them, these books are definitely necessary for any conjuring mage or cleric, and fiend-summoning blackguards also need one or two. But they seem to have been overtaken by the scrolls.

[flower]

These scrolls players often need in vast numbers which cannot provide occasional random find in a library.

[flower]

I have noticed a very very low rate of stream books (like fire, air, demon, etc.) dropping from shelves in favour of these new scrolls.

While the scrolls are nice and I don't mind them, these books are definitely necessary for any conjuring mage or cleric, and fiend-summoning blackguards also need one or two. But they seem to have been overtaken by the scrolls.

They get increase in value then, for selling? Not bad

[MalKalz]

We have made some adjustments to the drops for scrolls. Can I ask what server you are having the higher chance of finding these scrolls? Or does it seem to be even between the two.

[Thanatosis]

They get increase in value then, for selling? Not bad

It seems bad to me. I have only seen a single stream book so far, and I've done far more shelf-looting than usual.

[MalKalz]

I'll review the frequencies of the drops of both scrolls / summoning books and confer with Irongron over what we should adjust once more. I do believe I have a quick fix for it.

[Nitro]

We have made some adjustments to the drops for scrolls. Can I ask what server you are having the higher chance of finding these scrolls? Or does it seem to be even between the two.

The last time I went to the duergar fortress and ransacked the library there I ended up with a lot of high-tier scrolls from it.

[Blood on my Lips]

The last time I went to the duergar fortress and ransacked the library there I ended up with a lot of high-tier scrolls from it.

I noticed that more scrolls and less books are appearing on the shelves there.

[RedGiant]

We have made some adjustments to the drops for scrolls. Can I ask what server you are having the higher chance of finding these scrolls? Or does it seem to be even between the two.

I can't speak for Surface, but all my recent adventuring has been on City and Planes. They don't seem to be restricted to high-level areas either. While I really wouldn't mind seeing the occasional high level scroll as chest loot in an appropriate level dungeon, this change to me seems to hit the PC economy particularly hard. It also seems to encourage several second and third order effects which seem undesirable, including everything from grinding wizard spell books to completion (vs. rp or trade) to further super-powering UMD dips (without any real cost).

[MalKalz]

I’ll be tweaking the drop frequencies further. I’m playing with a limited size database to adjust drops in just one specific type of container. I’ll do a complete reshuffle when I can. My plate is a bit busy today as you can imagine.

[Durvayas]

The last time I went to the duergar fortress and ransacked the library there I ended up with a lot of high-tier scrolls from it.

I noticed that more scrolls and less books are appearing on the shelves there.

A few days ago I went there. I found something like 28+ scrolls(with enough variety to fill an entire inventory page almost) 2 spell books(ptarian cachetisis and a magitech manual) and 1 language book(abyssal).

If that feedback helps, great.

[MalKalz]

I've adjusted the drops (literature treasure drops only):

• Scrolls drop from a range of cantrip to "Circle" 5.
• Circles 6,7,8 and 9 do not drop - so that scribe scroll is still useful.
• Frequencies for Circles 4 - 5 are the lowest, and the lower circles with higher frequencies.
• Book frequencies adjusted to be higher / in line with lower spell circle spells.
• Future adjustments to drop frequencies will be made if need be (likely addition of more books as I have wiggle room.)

[RedGiant]

Thanks for this!

While probably unpopular in some quarters, I think this is best not only for the economy but for balance (I.e. high-end magical consumables probably ought to have an associated cost).

[Thanatosis]

I'm still getting very few books -- only seen one more book since Spyre adjusted the rates, though I've slowed down on my looting just a touch.

[MalKalz]

I still haven’t increased the frequencies to where I want them for boos, the rate I posted would be the rate after I did the work. Currently in a 76 hour work week - so likely Friday I can finish.

[Thanatosis]

I still haven’t increased the frequencies to where I want them for boos, the rate I posted would be the rate after I did the work. Currently in a 76 hour work week - so likely Friday I can finish.

Ok, update: been looting a lot again. Book droprate is much better; I've seen plenty of books (though not the one I'd like to drop, of course!) and no scrolls over 5th level.

However, there seems to be a strange bug with respawning. A lot of the times shelves are bare, or even sometimes "moved around" like someone was fiddling with them. I don't think the shelves are coming back as often as they should be? Everything else in the area is always as it usually is, including monster spawns and other things like that.

[Gods_Kill_People]

Been to bloodmoon 4x, even when no ones been there for a bit, no books and only 2 scrolls each time.

[flower]

Thanks for this!

While probably unpopular in some quarters, I think this is best not only for the economy but for balance (I.e. high-end magical consumables probably ought to have an associated cost).

You mean from 2 000 to 4500 per 9th circle scroll from a PC shop?