Dwarves and the elusive dwarven waraxe

[Traitor]

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952  FEAT_WEAPON_FOCUS_DWAXE                        83318    436         ife_X2WFDWAx     1              ****   ****   ****   ****   ****   ****   ****        ****        ****        0            0            1                ****     ****  ****    ****      1       ****       1          ****       44         227        ****       ****       ****       ****     ****             ****      ****              FEAT_WEAPON_FOCUS_DWAXE                        1               ****        ****     ****          ****     ****        0          1         

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954  FEAT_IMPROVED_CRITICAL_DWAXE                   83320    228         ife_X2CrtDWAx    8              ****   ****   ****   ****   ****   ****   ****        ****        ****        0            0            1                ****     ****  ****    ****      1       ****       0          ****       44         227        ****       ****       ****       ****     ****             ****      ****              FEAT_IMPROVED_CRITICAL_DWAXE                   1               ****        ****     ****          ****     ****        0          1    

there you go

[Dunshine]

Alright, made the changes to those as well, hope it works server-side only.

[Traitor]

Do you think you could upload the two updated .2da files, feats and baseitems somewhere so players can put them in override?

[Kirito]

The hope is that it's a server side only change, once the server restarts, it should be clear

[Hunter548]

The hope is that it's a server side only change, once the server restarts, it should be clear

I think Traitor's point is he'd like these as overrides so he can use them in single player modules.

[yellowcateyes]

I tested this server-side with a new dwarf fighter. With an empty override folder, I was unable to select Weapon Focus: Dwarven Waraxe.

[Traitor]

I tested it with a ghetto made override

players will need an override to have the options and will even be able to take the weapon focus feat from the beginning, however, in game if you take weapon focus daxe

u get a server message that says: "Character doesn't have prerequisite feats." I have never seen this when messing around in NWN before. Is this an Arelith anti-hack measure?

[Zavandar]

Same.

[liver and bones]

Is it probable that we'll find a solution to the weapon foci and crit feats? Too excited with this buff that I can't keep myself from trying an ask!

EDIT: Also, not sure if intentional but doing -twohand for a dwarven waraxe does not provide the +2AB.

[Iceborn]

-twohand never provides +2 ab, only damage.

[liver and bones]

-twohand never provides +2 ab, only damage.

Ok, gotcha. Wiki makes it sound like it might with bastard sword explicitly saying it doesn't get the +2AB, while nothing for the new notes on dwarven war axes.

"Can be toggled to one handed/two handed with the -twohand command. Bastard swords, however, don't receive the bonus above when they are two-handed using the command."

"Dwarves can wield this weapon without taking the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat.
Dwarves can also -twohand this weapon."

[Iceborn]

Well, that's because prior to this update, we didn't have any other -twohand-compatible weapon

Well, we had ogres, but who cares about 'em?

[gilescorey]

Well, we had ogres, but who cares about 'em?

[Iceborn]

See what I mean?

[cornelius_4]

-twohand never provides +2 ab, only damage.

On a shifter in drider/epic minotaur forms, -twohand definetely provided an additional +2 attack bonus in addition to the extra damage. It seems though that whenever I equip a weapon that is naturally counts as twohanded (such as a gnome wielding a morningstar), I would get +2 attack bonus, so perhaps it wasn't directly provided by -twohand, but it did come along as a result (could be the weapons counted as 1-handed before in the large shapes?).

[ActionReplay]

I think all Large sized should get the +2AB/+2Dmg while everything else, medium, gets +2 Dmg only.

[Dorkas]

I'm glad that dwarves get easier access to this waraxe now, but is there a chance other medium sized races can -twohand it? Kind of lame tbh.

[cornelius_4]

I think all Large sized should get the +2AB/+2Dmg while everything else, medium, gets +2 Dmg only.

While I don't type "-twohand" for the following (because I can't in this case), equipping a quaterstaff on a human comes with a free +2 attack bonus, the "attack increased" icon appearing/dissapearing as you equip/unequip the weapon. The same thing happens on my svirfneblin with a morningstar. I'm not clear on whether this boost is intended or not, but this is likely why one might assume the same to happen when -twohanding a normally one handed weapon.

The combat log shows
"Weapon equipped as a two-handed weapon."
"Two-Handed Weapon Bonus Granted: +2 Attack Bonus"
on my svirfneblin equipping a morningstar.

Ps. Also, to memory the damage bonus gained on a drider scales with strength (and this is for
-twohand as opposed to the above, I think it was +½ strength mod, fitting with that it should be 1.5 * str mod for twohand in d&d).

[Punished Hans]

I tested it with a ghetto made override

players will need an override to have the options and will even be able to take the weapon focus feat from the beginning, however, in game if you take weapon focus daxe

u get a server message that says: "Character doesn't have prerequisite feats." I have never seen this when messing around in NWN before. Is this an Arelith anti-hack measure?

I'd like to ask an update on this. Can we expect this to be changed (as in, having the override locally and not getting thrown off the server by Arelith Hak protection)?

[Dunshine]

We'll need to have a chat about this in the admin team. For now, our policy is to prevent people needing local overrides to be able to play Arelith and get access to mechanics. So, I'm leaning towards not making them available.

But..., since I've started this, I'm thinking about other ways to get the dwarven waraxe feats available without local overrides. I'm thinking a command that gives the option to switch a weapon focus feat to weapon focus dwarven waraxe, and similar for the improved critical feat. So you should just choose some weapon focus feat you do have access to, and then use the command to switch it to dwarven waraxe after (none reversable ofcourse). I know this is far from perfect, but it would get the job done without the need for local overrides. Will see if I can work on this soon.

[Traitor]

We'll need to have a chat about this in the admin team. For now, our policy is to prevent people needing local overrides to be able to play Arelith and get access to mechanics. So, I'm leaning towards not making them available.

But..., since I've started this, I'm thinking about other ways to get the dwarven waraxe feats available without local overrides. I'm thinking a command that gives the option to switch a weapon focus feat to weapon focus dwarven waraxe, and similar for the improved critical feat. So you should just choose some weapon focus feat you do have access to, and then use the command to switch it to dwarven waraxe after (none reversable ofcourse). I know this is far from perfect, but it would get the job done without the need for local overrides. Will see if I can work on this soon.

that could also be p sweet

[TheRagingGoblin]

How about some tie in to the battleaxe feats with dwarf as race? (the dwarven war axe is an extra 2 possible damage on it, otherwise identical).

The idea being dwarves with weapon focus battleaxe also gain weapon focus dwarven war axe. Same for the other feats.

How hard this would be to code, especially for prestige class requirements/feats (WMs), I'm not sure.

Only drawback would be that dwarves without martial proficiency still can't invest feats into the dwarven waraxe. However, if you look at DnD 3.5+Pathfinder the dwarven waraxe is a martial weapon for dwarves (not every dwarf has access to it).

[Dunshine]

I went with that last suggestion, it's the cleanest solution imo. It also prevents characters who were swinging a warhammer all their lives, from switching to dwarven waraxe all of a sudden. Combining Battleaxe/Dwarven Waraxe makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Intrepid42]

I went with that last suggestion, it's the cleanest solution imo. It also prevents characters who were swinging a warhammer all their lives, from switching to dwarven waraxe all of a sudden. Combining Battleaxe/Dwarven Waraxe makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the suggestion.

Nice!

[Traitor]

Has this been tested to make sure you can take imp crit / specialization, and whatnot?