Re: Feylock Feedback
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:58 pm
Extend Spell is already a thing.JediMindTrix wrote:Increase the duration of Displacement for warlocks. That'd be better than II.
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Extend Spell is already a thing.JediMindTrix wrote:Increase the duration of Displacement for warlocks. That'd be better than II.
DUDE THANKS i forgotNyuunie wrote:Extend Spell is already a thing.
The infinite spells granted by GSF cap out at CL 15.susitsu wrote:I thought I saw mention in some thread about spells maxing out at CL 15 for some things? Though that might have been about weave master, not the spell special abilities.
I mean, you could but I dunno why you'd want to. They already have the dr fron EDR, the ac is kind of irrelevant when their ac is bad to begin with, the concealment is worse than displacement .. sure, the negative energy protection elements are nice but NEP potions are pretty common. Seems very underwhelming as a capstone.susitsu wrote:Can you give them shadow shield? That's a sorc/wiz 7th level spell. Won't it just be a disgustingly easy to dispel and short duration? I suppose if it's a spammable special ability that doesn't exactly matter...
The idea is to move away from conlocks being the standard, at least as far as fey-pact warlocks are concerned. If we go this route, most fey-pact warlocks would be cha-focused and play a party/trickster role, and hence not have EDR. Shadow Shield also grants +5 natural AC and immunity to necromancy spells and instant-death effects in addition to its NEP.Hunter548 wrote:I mean, you could but I dunno why you'd want to. They already have the dr fron EDR, the ac is kind of irrelevant when their ac is bad to begin with, the concealment is worse than displacement .. sure, the negative energy protection elements are nice but NEP potions are pretty common. Seems very underwhelming as a capstone.
This is barely enough ac to avoid getting shot by malarites in a low teens dungeon.Wytchee wrote:
Also, fey-pact warlock AC isn't bad at all. It can hit the mid-40s. With SS it hits near 50.
If they take spell defense: abj doesn't that make each dispel roll only a 5% chance of succeeding?gilescorey wrote:Dispelling a warlock is like dispelling a mundane: it's extremely hard to do as anything but an abjurer, and even then it's not a guarantee.
My fire elemental has 41 AC and even the black orcs have trouble hitting it with 50% concealment.Stath wrote:This is barely enough ac to avoid getting shot by malarites in a low teens dungeon.Wytchee wrote:
Also, fey-pact warlock AC isn't bad at all. It can hit the mid-40s. With SS it hits near 50.
It would depend a very great deal upon who exactly is dispelling. From a caster-with-GSF:abj, yes. From anyone else, no.JediMindTrix wrote:If they take spell defense: abj doesn't that make each dispel roll only a 5% chance of succeeding?gilescorey wrote:Dispelling a warlock is like dispelling a mundane: it's extremely hard to do as anything but an abjurer, and even then it's not a guarantee.
So here is this, which is a list of various dispels versus a level 30 arcane defence caster (either a meme mage with no disc, a mage/harper, or a warlock). Keep in mind both Mordekainen's Disjunction and Greater Dispelling are capped at CL 20.1d20 + dispel's caster level vs. 12 + creator's effective level.
I don't think innate spells are capped at CL 15. The duration for my shadows during testing was definitely 30 rounds and the summons were scaled correctly which is consistent with what I'd expect from a CL30 character casting the spell. Where did you get the idea that it was capped at CL 15?susitsu wrote:Can you give them shadow shield? That's a sorc/wiz 7th level spell. Won't it just be a disgustingly easy to dispel and short duration? I suppose if it's a spammable special ability that doesn't exactly matter...
Wytchee wrote: Also, fey-pact warlock AC isn't bad at all. It can hit the mid-40s. With SS it hits near 50.
And if you aren't able to rely on your magic for defense you have to be able to rely on it for offense. That's not the case anymore from what I'm seeing.RamblerTeo wrote:Wytchee wrote: Also, fey-pact warlock AC isn't bad at all. It can hit the mid-40s. With SS it hits near 50.
that's bad, no joke. most builds get mid 40s AB.
Okay, I can see that now. I'm going to uncap that in the engine so that spell like abilities can exceed CL 15.Peppermint wrote:They are capped at CL 15.
You can script around that to give them a longer duration etc., but with respect to hard-coded attributes (e.g. spell resistance) they are capped at CL 15.