DM Titania wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:02 amDepends, and this is also where player RP strength can mark a difference between a high RP Rating player and a low one. Neither is wrong:BegoneThoth wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:07 pmWell that's the core issue, how do you see a tattoo through barkskin or shadow shield?
How do you spot a drow fully covered in clothes/gear? I say, you don't, and to RP appropriately.
The sub-race thing, something I was for, previously, im now 100% against, as it's clearly led to god-gaming and meta-gaming.
One playerwho has gained the lore might go through fully covered clothes gear barkskin shadow shield that didn't use disguise "Hey, Pirate Face, keep your parrots squawking down."
Another of the same, might go: "Hey Face, keep your parrots squawking down!" as the interpretation of the same situation due to the same. We would consider this person a stronger Roleplayer /because/ they are allowing this person to get away and aren't really seeking to "win" immediately, letting their pirate secret attempt keeping draw out.
I.E., if you want your contestment against villains to draw out, perhaps giving them the benefit of the doubt is one such tool. Also increases their likelihood. But it's not a rule. It's a RP Rating thing. The villain side may want to disguise, to filter those who see them much more (Though only obviously if actually disguising.) Sometimes its also refreshing not to care, as you'll find quite a few that won't try to stomp you out immediately.
On sub-race identifying, again, say Dwarf meets Duergar who did not disguise for whatever reason that is fully clothed and garbed. Well, the Thane knows that most Duergar are thinner than dwarves, and could immediately make that distinction as their justification. Or take in account their dress, and demand the Duergar physically reveal themselves first. This is, once again, a differing RP style thing that can factor into future RP Rating evaluations. One gives the other side the benefit of the doubt more.
On the question pointed out to me, eye color is no. Height and weight tends to have averages for races and could be assigned by a guesser, so is not an issue, (Though the player could be wrong as the other player may later reveal its full on accuracy). Equipment can be misremembered, but if you never saw them pull out a bow, making it up seems odd unless your character wants to lie.
Anyway, let's keep this discussion to Mark of the Pirate! Looks like it's gone on a tangent.
I have said I have no problem with a player successfully breaking a disguise, or using their lore to determine a PC is a Drow, and RPing it as mere suspicion and giving the disguised/warded Drow the freedom to go about their day by willfully having your character overlook something you know to be true.
Again. My points were largely not about saying you can claim a Drow's eyes are red even if the player hasn't stated otherwise. But it is undeniable that Drow rarely have eyes any other colour than red, it's undeniable they have white hair, it's undeniable they're largely smaller than their Elf cousins and it's undeniable they would most likely not speak perfect common after having lived the vast majority of their lives not daring go near the dangerous surface world with the burning ball of fire in the sky. My point is that these are all ways which somebody who has successfully broken a disguise of a Drow MAY look to, to communicate that discovery beyond saying "A Drow! There! Look at its disgusting [FEATURE NOT FOUND]".
Whilst I would agree that bending your findings in the interest of another player is 100% a good thing, it takes two to tango, and another thing that is undeniable is that if a player HAS successfully broken a disguise, or determined a player is a Drow through the lore skill, they have a right to RP the outing of this character who's attempt to walk lands they do not belong in has at that moment failed.
The quality of the RP that proceeds after a successful spot check has been made against a disguised character isn't souly on the shoulders of the person who successfully spotted it. If the player who's disguised failed them received a tell asking "My PC has broken your disguise/My PC can tell you're a Drow, what would they see of note which determined this?" And their reply was "My character has no discernible features that you can tell" .. I would say that is not RP on par with a PC successfully checking a disguise and outing the sneak, but actually a worse example of RP. An instance where an RPer who has had their disguise legitimately broken, but overlooks the interest of fairness in favour of the interest of themselves - is the polar opposite of the example you gave - in which an RP who breaks a disguise willfully overlooks it in the interest of the disguised player.