Sorcerer Builds

[Basementfellow]

I notice a distinct lack of them in the cookie-cutter guide. I assume it's because they sorta suck. Nevertheless, I'm curious as to the best ways to build them.

What class spread and spell focuses are favored with them? Which spells, for that matter -- seeing as how they've very few to work with?

[Jack Oat]

They don't suck, I just didn't post any because I kinda forgot.

Generally the normal ones are Sorcerer 27/Bard 3 or Sorc 27/Ranger 3 to nab an extra feat at the cost of some UMD scrolls. There are also Sorc/Paladin and Sorc/BG combos that boost saves and AC by a good amount.

[Vrass]

Going to try a true-flame/cleric build.

[Jack Oat]

Going to try a true-flame/cleric build.

This will not end well. You don't get to cast any other spells from Cleric than Evocation, I believe, and you don't get those infinitely like you do Trueflame's. Also, stacking two casting classes is mostly considered a terrible idea as you sort of end up sucking with both.

[Vrass]

Having two caster classes might not be optimal but the ability to use both arcane and divine has its uses.

[Sea Shanties]

I'm curious what you think those uses are? You don't get unlimited cleric evo spells, you can't use non-evo scrolls or wands (arcane OR divine) because you're true flame.. What am I missing?

[Jack Oat]

Having two caster classes might not be optimal but the ability to use both arcane and divine has its uses.

UMD provides this normally for other builds, but with Trueflame you literally cannot use anything from the Cleric spellbook iirc. You'd be able to use Evocation spells on wands and scrolls, but those are usually low CL to the point of being negligible with the sole exception of Word of Faith.

[Baron Saturday]

Deep breaths, Jack!

Vrass, a few other things to consider:

* Depending on your split, you could lower your caster level to the point where enemies with SR shut you down hard.

* Clerics do not get discipline as a class skill, so any enemy with KD will likewise shut you down.

I'm all for trying janky builds with the knowledge that they're unoptimal and weird, but I've got serious doubts about the ability of a TF/cleric to even function in PvE, which is generally fairly easy.

[Alantar]

I'd try a sorcerer/paladin build.

[Vrass]

Currently im a wizard/cleric. The point of doing TF/cleric was that i would be able to use the cleric spells without suffering the evo only penalty on the cleric side. Last server i was on had a similar restriction which could be gotten around by taking a different spellcasting class. If such is not possible here then you are right, its even less optimal then my current build. So much for that... back to the drawing board.

[The1Kobra]

True Flame does restrict your other casting classes, so combinations aren't all that useful. The only reason to go TF/cleric would be to pick up divine shield. Paladin and blackguard do it better but they're alignment restricted, and blackguard requires an additional feat in cleave.

It will still be hard to get a decent AC on a divine shield true flame, but it can help take your AC out of the 'garbage bin' as it were.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

Paladin and blackguard do it better but they're alignment restricted, and blackguard requires an additional feat in cleave.

Two additional feats. You cannot take cleave without power attack, and your spellcasting sorcerer is pretty much guaranteed not to have power attack unless you're going for divine shield.

Optionally, Harper Paragon nets you divine shield without the need for power attack or cleave, but that is also alignment restricted.

[Ork]

Bear in mind Harper Paragon also requires 2 feats: Alertness & Iron Will. The benefit here is that you won't have to dip 13 into str for power attack by going Harper Paragon.

[Sea Shanties]

If you're making a Harper true flame I'd say going Haper Mage would be far more advantageous though, endless casting of level 9 evo spells with no component cost and two of three free Auto Quicken feats are a hell of a lot better than some AC.

I think a high CON True Flame/Fighter with EDR 3 and wearing plate armor with Auto Still spell could work if you don't want to be tied to a divine class.

But really the best TF experience is going to be having someone to guard you while you cut loose so if you really want to make one try to come up with a concept that will be social and make friends. Even with a paladin dip and divine shield you're still a glass cannon.