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Drow Blackguard Build

Post by All The Sinners Saints » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:53 pm

Reposting here. Posted originally wrong forum.

There are some blackguard builds in the #builddump on discord, but they are all for humans and at least not for me easily modified to the drow subrace. The two in question are:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f2Z ... d2aII/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wkw ... AqQwI/edit

How should they be modified to work with a drow, or would another build all together work best?

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Alox » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:35 pm

Quit easy to modify to drow I would say.

Stats:
STR: 16 (+7 from levels) = 23
DEX: 8 (+2 from drow) = 10
CON: 14 (-2 from drow) = 12
WIS: 8
INT: 12 (+2 from drow) = 14
CHA: 16 (+2 from drow) = 18

and you still have a minor gift to take something (which should not be an innate spell as it shares cool down with your darkness).

One build can drop lightning reflexes easy. The other might be a little more expensive by dropping toughness. I am not seeing any blind-fight which might be good if you fight a lot of concealed enemies, which is common on Arelith. You can not take expertise on level 1, so a little reshuffling is necessary.

In the epic feats drop epic prowess for greater strength.

You loose a few things compared to human, but get your elf bonuses, +1 AC from dex, and drow RP.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Jack Oat » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:21 am

One build can drop lightning reflexes easy.
Agreed.
The other might be a little more expensive by dropping toughness. I am not seeing any blind-fight which might be good if you fight a lot of concealed enemies, which is common on Arelith. You can not take expertise on level 1, so a little reshuffling is necessary.
Wrong-ish, wrong, right.

1) You drop Epic Prowess from the second build, or IKD. You don't really have the HP as a Drow to dispatch Toughness.
2) Blind Fight is in both of those builds at levels 13 and 20, respectively.
3) Yeah since you're starting with 12 INT
In the epic feats drop epic prowess for greater strength.
Doable, and agreed.
You loose a few things compared to human, but get your elf bonuses, +1 AC from dex, and drow RP 32 SR.
FTFY. The dex bonus is meh considering that your average BG just uses a cats wand for DEX 12.


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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Alox » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:50 am

Jack Oat wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:21 am
2) Blind Fight is in both of those builds at levels 13 and 20, respectively.
Oops I need glasses.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by TheShadowdove » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:06 pm

Alox wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:35 pm
Quit easy to modify to drow I would say.

Stats:
STR: 16 (+7 from levels) = 23
DEX: 8 (+2 from drow) = 10
CON: 14 (-2 from drow) = 12
WIS: 8
INT: 12 (+2 from drow) = 14
CHA: 16 (+2 from drow) = 18

and you still have a minor gift to take something (which should not be an innate spell as it shares cool down with your darkness).

One build can drop lightning reflexes easy. The other might be a little more expensive by dropping toughness. I am not seeing any blind-fight which might be good if you fight a lot of concealed enemies, which is common on Arelith. You can not take expertise on level 1, so a little reshuffling is necessary.

In the epic feats drop epic prowess for greater strength.

You loose a few things compared to human, but get your elf bonuses, +1 AC from dex, and drow RP.
I could only get the cha up to 14+2 racial with stat allocation.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Alox » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:33 pm

TheShadowdove wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:06 pm
Alox wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:35 pm
Quit easy to modify to drow I would say.

Stats:
STR: 16 (+7 from levels) = 23
DEX: 8 (+2 from drow) = 10
CON: 14 (-2 from drow) = 12
WIS: 8
INT: 12 (+2 from drow) = 14
CHA: 16 (+2 from drow) = 18

and you still have a minor gift to take something (which should not be an innate spell as it shares cool down with your darkness).

One build can drop lightning reflexes easy. The other might be a little more expensive by dropping toughness. I am not seeing any blind-fight which might be good if you fight a lot of concealed enemies, which is common on Arelith. You can not take expertise on level 1, so a little reshuffling is necessary.

In the epic feats drop epic prowess for greater strength.

You loose a few things compared to human, but get your elf bonuses, +1 AC from dex, and drow RP.
I could only get the cha up to 14+2 racial with stat allocation.
Can be a bit confusing with the elf bonuses put in. With the elf bonuses (+2 dex, -2 con) the start starts looks like:

str: 16, dex: 10, con: 12, wis:8, int:12, cha:16

then when in the game, you choose to go drow and get the +2 int and +2 cha there.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by TheShadowdove » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:46 am

is 18 cha worth 12 over 14 con?

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by flower » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:58 am

TheShadowdove wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:46 am
is 18 cha worth 12 over 14 con?
+1 AC/DMg on divine feats also +1 round of duration

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by TheShadowdove » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:03 pm

Thanks again! Remade with the stats you mentioned.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Lurch » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:48 pm

Have you considered replacing rogue with assassin? You're already evil and assassin would remove the multiclass penalty that rogue has with fighter.

Pre-epic: Fighter 6 / Blackguard 10 / Assassin 4
Epic: Fighter 7 / Blackguard 16 / Assassin 7

Assassin gets you evasion just like rogue, darkness and invisibility on 2 min cooldown as well as +2 poison DC on top of +4 from blackguard, not to mention the assassinate ability. You'd lose a few feats, skillpoints and HP though.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Ork » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:58 pm

There is no more multiclass penalties on Arelith.

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Re: Drow Blackguard Build

Post by Lurch » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:04 pm

D'oh! Good point.

Still, assassin has it's perks, if you can live with fewer fighter feats.

For stats one could go with 16 -> 22 / 10 / 12 / 16 / 8 / 17 -> 18, where higher int compensates for skill loss and improves assassinate and death attack DC.

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