Viable HOrc BG with epic summon and 2hand?

[Brandon Steel]

I’m trying to brainstorm a way to make this work but I’m struggling hard. Honestly a lot is working against it and I’m just trying to make it at least “good enough”. Anyone have any reccomendations/builds?

[Opustus]

It's not the optimal starting race, but it's completely doable and only the mightiest of powerbuilders will shed their stardust tears in the dead of night for you.


This is off the top of my head, so there might be an oversight.

Basic Fighter10/BG16/Rogue4

-> Rogue3/Fighter7/BG10 pre-epic

Starting stats, for example:
STR18 -> gift to 20
DEX8
CON14
INT13
WIS8
CHA12 -> gift to 14

You can also start with STR 18 and CHA 16.

Feats (12): Power attack (half-orc), Cleave, WF, WS, Divine might, Divine shield, Blindfight, Expertise, Imp expertise, KD, IKD, Optional1 (I suggest exotic weapon proficiency for bastard sword; they're dope and can be twohanded!)

Epic feats (8): EWF, Armorskin, Evil summon feat, EWS, Great STR I, Epic prowess, ESF: Discipline, Optional1

Skills: you get to max about 4 skills, so Tumble30, Hide5, Discipline33, UMD3 at least, can still max 2 skills, like Spot, Heal, Taunt, or Spellcraft (cross-class).

[Wytchee]

If you're going HOrc, you might as well go double axe.

The half-orc exclusive double weapons are suuuper good. You just have to shuffle some feats around (Half Orcs get ambi for free, so you can keep Dex as a dump stat).

[Hunter548]

I would definitely advise going for 16 cha over 14.

[Aftond]

As a class/build that already lacks skillpoints, doing a race that's mostly a negative to the build is a strange choice. Considered going Orog?

[3d6InOrder]

I second Orog. Not least because you can use the Orog Bastard Sword and alternate between one-hand and two-hand.

I also thoroughly recommend the 17 BG / 8 Fighter / 5 Rogue build in the Discord Build Dump. Eminently playable all the way through (ie you get UMD straight away).

[Brandon Steel]

I considered orog, yes, but it's just not something I wanted to RP.

[Tourmaline]

I would think a blackguard with below average charisma could still do pretty well. You could focus on strength, start charisma at 12 and max that out through gear.. 24 ending charisma with +7 to saves and divine might/shield is still pretty good. I might even be crazy enough to suggest a +2 int gift and starting with 12 charisma, 14 int., 14 con and the rest strength. It's not maximized power but should still be good especially if you go double axe.

I can definitely see why you'd go half-orc over orog as they have a lot more access to the server, at least until they've done enough evil to make a name for themselves.