Barbarian Builds
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Barbarian Builds
What are everyone's go to Barbarian builds? viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9473#p77458 Lists barbarian builds but a lot~ has changed since these were made. How does everyone feel about Barbarians at the moment? How would they compare with the classic Ftr 20/WM 7/Ro 3?
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before biteback removal barbarians would clean house vs 20/7/3
now its more to the weapon master side of the coin
now its more to the weapon master side of the coin
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Barbarians are capable of dishing out truly absurd amounts of damage right now. A half-orc barb with a double weapon is absolutely terrifying, even with the removal of kensai. Build probably looks something like 23 barb/4 fighter/3 rogue?
Losing biteback was not the worst thing to happen to barbarians. I would not be surprised if the above build mopped the floor with 20/7/3 WMs as a part-time job.
Losing biteback was not the worst thing to happen to barbarians. I would not be surprised if the above build mopped the floor with 20/7/3 WMs as a part-time job.
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Standard WM build requires a healer to counter a standard barbarian build, without the biteback. Barbarians went from the ultimate counter to melee to losing 2v1.
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Do you think they would be better than the PM 16/ftr 10/ bard 4?MoreThanThree wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:54 pmStandard WM build requires a healer to counter a standard barbarian build, without the biteback. Barbarians went from the ultimate counter to melee to losing 2v1.
Does anyone have an actual barbarian build written up?
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MoreThanThree wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:54 pmStandard WM build requires a healer to counter a standard barbarian build, without the biteback. Barbarians went from the ultimate counter to melee to losing 2v1.
Barbarians are exceedingly capable of being competitive with WMs after the barbarian update, and weren't hugely impressive against WMs previously unless said WM was a moron who just left clicked.
As for how to build a barbarian, it depends on if you want to be one handed or two handed. One handed build roughly similar to the barbarian build you linked, with the sole caveat that you may want a bit more dex to help you with your AC since you're going to want to wear light armor. Terrifying rage is extremely good -- Take it. Mighty rage is situational and can have some value -- you can adjust your feats if you want it.
If you want to go 2hand, you want to drop your hopes of EDR -- Humans just can't do the attributes needed (Only Half Orcs, Dwarves and Duergar can, and even they have to make intelligence sacrifices). That said, you want to shoot for thundering rage and possibly terrifying rage if you can fit it, and probably go 23 barb/4 fighter/3. There's a few variations you can do here, but this is the simplest one. It's very important you have max strength to get 25 strength for thundering rage.
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Is one-handed thundering rage something that's being done, or just the one-hand EDR one?
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You can do it (Again, attributes permitting) but yeah, one handed barbs tend to be the EDR varients. It just synergizes better.One Two Three Five wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:35 amIs one-handed thundering rage something that's being done, or just the one-hand EDR one?
Edit: Also, thundering will mean sacrificing a feat somewhere. Barbarians who go for EDR tend to have feat problems in epic (Barbarians take all of their fighter in epic for this reason, for example) and you can only take the rage modes on barbarian levels, so the feats become a bit of a pain if you're going for two rage modes and EDR3. If you can get the strength into an EDR barb though, more power to you.
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Some people would argue barbarian is still in need of nerfs, that's how powerful it is.
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I would correct you a little.
There are several minor boons connecting together making barbarian to stand out so much.
Most of them are half orc bonuses. Race which gets high strenght, is gifted for free dual wielding. This allows them to make dual wielding barbarians WITHOUT dipping neccesary dexterity (up to 15 for ambidexterity) for improved two weapon fighting.
It was given to them to benefit from racial craft....but really what kind of lobby was behind that? Getting two (!) feats for free, along with powerful racial weapons for no additional ECL. This itself alone would not be game breaking, but allowing them to spare points to lift dexterity from 8 up to 15 allows them unlike other races to go fully on strenght and other abilities.
Then the fact that crappy dual bladed weapons are considered as large weapon, giving +2 AB.
So, half orcs not only benefit from like 20 starting strenght (or even more) but also get weapon which is +4 enchament, giving them penalty of -4 and countering it with +2 for being large. So they can gain really ugly AB on dual wield teamed up with the +1 rage attack.
So the issue does not sit in barbarian class itself, but in all minor buffs and boons handed around to different races and weapons, combined all together.
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actually its the temp hp
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Take a look at the New Barbarian Build Thread. It doesn't have a full 1-30 build laid out, but if you look at the epic level spread Lorkas provided and tweak the old Optimale Good Builds Compendium build a bit, it should get you what you need. Do note that to get Thundering Rage and EDR 3, you NEED to end up with with 21 con by level 21 and 25 str by 30. Realistically, this means you need to be a half-orc or a gnoll.
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He can go other race, but it will leave other abilities starving (like inteligence).