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telmarael
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Feylock\BG

Post by telmarael » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:43 pm

So, the idea haven't let me go just yet, so here's my new chimaera

Race Human Class Bard(27), Blackguard(3)
Abilities STR: 14
DEX: 12
CON: 14 +gift (16)
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 15 +gift (24)
Ba 01: Bard(1): Power Attack, Cleave
Ba 02: Bard(2)
Ba 03: Bard(3): Blind Fight
Ba 04: Bard(4): CHA+1, (CHA=18)
Ba 05: Bard(5)
Ba 06: Bard(6): Spell Focus: Enchantment
Ba 07: Bard(7)
Ba 08: Bard(8): CHA+1, (CHA=19)
Ba 09: Bard(9): Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Ba 10: Bard(10)
Ba 11: Bard(11)
Ba 12: Bard(12): CHA+1, Still Spell (CHA=20)
Ba 13: Bard(13)
Ba 14: Bard(14)
Ba 15: Bard(15): Spell Focus: Transmutation,
BG 16: Blackguard(1): CHA+1, (CHA=21)
BG 17: Blackguard(2): {Smite Good}
BG 18: Blackguard(3): Divine Shield
Ba 19: Bard(16):
Ba 20: Bard(17): CHA+1, (CHA=22)
Ba 21: Bard(18): Greater Spell Focus: Transmutation
Ba 22: Bard(19)
Ba 23: Bard(20)
Ba 24: Bard(21): CHA+1, Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, (CHA=23)
Ba 25: Bard(22)
Ba 26: Bard(23): +
Ba 27: Bard(24): +
Ba 28: Bard(25): CHA+1, (CHA=24)
Ba 29: Bard(26): Armor Skin
Ba 30: Bard(27): +
(+ is either *as in priority >* GSF Abjuration + toughness; EDR3; Great Charisma x2 + toughness; Great Constitution x2 + toughness)

Skills Concentration 33, Discipline 33, Heal 30, Hide 5, Lore (or bluff) 31, Spellcraft 33, Tumble 27, UMD 33 *flat

Kind of tinkered with all the builds proposed last November. Gearing for CHA\CON, capable of wearing Templar armor+tower shield without being over-encumbered, pick the weapon of your choice. Hits dodge AC cap with self-buffs and gear. "Solid" DC on the most important spells. Teleports around? Nice 510-570 HP when fully-buffed.

If I've not irritated you too hard, any comment would be most welcome :lol: Sry, I am like that when trying to find something for myself ;)
- "I would rather not touch this shiny pile of gold", said her conscience
*sounds of explosion*

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Re: Feylock\BG

Post by BegoneThoth » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:13 pm

I would instead recommend the following.

Class Race Bard(27), Blackguard(3), Ranger(0), 2gift bkgnd

Abilies STR: 14
DEX: 8
CON: 18 (21)
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 17 (22)

30 2gift bkgnd: (Quick to Master)
Ba 01: Bard(1): Power Attack, Cleave
Ba 02: Bard(2)
Ba 03: Bard(3): Still Spell
Ba 04: Bard(4): CHA+1, (CHA=18)
Ba 05: Bard(5)
Ba 06: Bard(6): Spell Focus: Enchantment
Ba 07: Bard(7)
Ba 08: Bard(8): CHA+1, (CHA=19)
Ba 09: Bard(9): Blind FIght
Ba 10: Bard(10)
Ba 11: Bard(11)
Ba 12: Bard(12): CHA+1, Spell Focus: Abjuration, (CHA=20)
Ba 13: Bard(13)
Ba 14: Bard(14)
Ba 15: Bard(15): Greater Spell Focus: Abjuration
BG 16: Blackguard(1): CON+1, (CON=19)
BG 17: Blackguard(2): {Smite Good}
BG 18: Blackguard(3): Divine Shield
Ba 19: Bard(16)
Ba 20: Bard(17): CON+1, (CON=20)
Ba 21: Bard(18): Armor Skin
Ba 22: Bard(19)
Ba 23: Bard(20)
Ba 24: Bard(21): CON+1, Epic Damage Reduction I, (CON=21)
Ba 25: Bard(22)
Ba 26: Bard(23): Greater Spell Focus Ench
Ba 27: Bard(24): Epic Damage Reduction II
Ba 28: Bard(25): CHA+1, (CHA=21)
Ba 29: Bard(26): Great Charisma I, (CHA=22)
Ba 30: Bard(27): Epic Damage Reduction III


Your cha is high enough to almost max divine shield ac with haste, and will bump your saves and spell DC's up to a good level particularly with mind fog up (which is party safe and does full blast dmg). You get still spell, so once you have your BG levels wear full plate and a tower shield and just still spell everything; I think you only can't still dirge (bad) and prot elements? But ones a buff so just spam it outside combat.

Your AC with full plate and nearly maxed dodge ac is super high, and infinite displacement means you should always have 50% conceal. EDR3 is there to make you even tankier.

Your battle plan is to stand in your own mind-fog and blast confusion or slow. Build works wonders, and the hybrid con/cha is really the only version i'd play.

The issue with max cha is you get diminishing returns; all your big save DC spells are lower level, so the save DC's arn't going to be a killer. You also can self-buff 4 dodge from haste, 1 dodge from boots, 1 dodge from mage armor, so anything > 15 cha mod really doesn't help. It's why EDR 3 is good in this instance, because you can sack 1 cha mod over your build and get a boat load of HP and defense for it.

Also low dex stops mattering at like level 6 so forget it. Not worth the points.

I would also encourage bluff, with 40 bluff after gear you are just immune to banishment which is very nice for a 'banned' class.
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Re: Feylock\BG

Post by telmarael » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:33 pm

BegoneThoth wrote:I would instead recommend the following.

Class Race Bard(27), Blackguard(3), Ranger(0), 2gift bkgnd

Abilies STR: 14
DEX: 8
CON: 18 (21)
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 17 (22)

30 2gift bkgnd: (Quick to Master)
Ba 01: Bard(1): Power Attack, Cleave
Ba 02: Bard(2)
Ba 03: Bard(3): Still Spell
Ba 04: Bard(4): CHA+1, (CHA=18)
Ba 05: Bard(5)
Ba 06: Bard(6): Spell Focus: Enchantment
Ba 07: Bard(7)
Ba 08: Bard(8): CHA+1, (CHA=19)
Ba 09: Bard(9): Blind FIght
Ba 10: Bard(10)
Ba 11: Bard(11)
Ba 12: Bard(12): CHA+1, Spell Focus: Abjuration, (CHA=20)
Ba 13: Bard(13)
Ba 14: Bard(14)
Ba 15: Bard(15): Greater Spell Focus: Abjuration
BG 16: Blackguard(1): CON+1, (CON=19)
BG 17: Blackguard(2): {Smite Good}
BG 18: Blackguard(3): Divine Shield
Ba 19: Bard(16)
Ba 20: Bard(17): CON+1, (CON=20)
Ba 21: Bard(18): Armor Skin
Ba 22: Bard(19)
Ba 23: Bard(20)
Ba 24: Bard(21): CON+1, Epic Damage Reduction I, (CON=21)
Ba 25: Bard(22)
Ba 26: Bard(23): Greater Spell Focus Ench
Ba 27: Bard(24): Epic Damage Reduction II
Ba 28: Bard(25): CHA+1, (CHA=21)
Ba 29: Bard(26): Great Charisma I, (CHA=22)
Ba 30: Bard(27): Epic Damage Reduction III


Your cha is high enough to almost max divine shield ac with haste, and will bump your saves and spell DC's up to a good level particularly with mind fog up (which is party safe and does full blast dmg). You get still spell, so once you have your BG levels wear full plate and a tower shield and just still spell everything; I think you only can't still dirge (bad) and prot elements? But ones a buff so just spam it outside combat.

Your AC with full plate and nearly maxed dodge ac is super high, and infinite displacement means you should always have 50% conceal. EDR3 is there to make you even tankier.

Your battle plan is to stand in your own mind-fog and blast confusion or slow. Build works wonders, and the hybrid con/cha is really the only version i'd play.

The issue with max cha is you get diminishing returns; all your big save DC spells are lower level, so the save DC's arn't going to be a killer. You also can self-buff 4 dodge from haste, 1 dodge from boots, 1 dodge from mage armor, so anything > 15 cha mod really doesn't help. It's why EDR 3 is good in this instance, because you can sack 1 cha mod over your build and get a boat load of HP and defense for it.

Also low dex stops mattering at like level 6 so forget it. Not worth the points.

I would also encourage bluff, with 40 bluff after gear you are just immune to banishment which is very nice for a 'banned' class.
Looks very good, thanks a lot :) what tool does everyone use for build palettes?.. For years it's a mystery for me...
- "I would rather not touch this shiny pile of gold", said her conscience
*sounds of explosion*

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Re: Feylock\BG

Post by BegoneThoth » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:51 pm

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