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Cleric/Monk

Post by One Two Three Five » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:14 am

Like, a battlecleric, but with monk levels. Unarmored. Anyone got tips?
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Terenfel » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:18 am

Go healer pathed, dont go unarmed go quarterstaff for 9 attacks pr. round with divine power. and GWM on the quarterstaff. even with low str build you will be doing 1d6+5+str(5-8)+5+2+essenence by level 18, 9 times a round. for short bursts when needed, and thats if you build for a Caster cleric that can fight when needed.

take war domain and epic transmutation for +11 to str, dex and con with just from zoo spells and aura of vitality. leaving you room to focus on Caster items.

with cleric 26, monk 4 you will have much of a pure healer, but higher AC then a regular battle cleric. when Divine powered and divine favored you will must likely also do more damage in melee.

if you go 24, 6 you will lose a cleric bonus feat but get imp knockdown, move slightly faster but also more easy to dispel and your overhealing will be 10 lower.

side note, dont forgot to get as high disciplin as possible when taking monk levels. your Flat-footed AC is very low, so getting on your Snuggybear is even more deadly to you then other people.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by DirtyDeity » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Are you interested in using Kamas? One? Two? Is Unarmed fighting also fine? Makes a huge difference in the build.

EDIT: Or Quarterstaff. :]

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Astral » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Terenfel wrote:your Flat-footed AC is very low
Worth noting the wisdom ac is flat-footed

Still, discipline and epic skill focus discipline are highly recommended.
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Sab1 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:40 pm

My only about Qs is, you get more attacks but the damage is less then if you went unarmed.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Thanatosis » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:47 pm

Sab1 wrote:My only about Qs is, you get more attacks but the damage is less then if you went unarmed.
If you have a lot of monk levels, yes. Otherwise it's the same (due to fist damage progression), barring the extra attacks that you've pointed out, and you should never take a spellcasting class as a non-majority part of your levels.*


*yes i know 3-4 level bard dip is technically a spellcaster, don't be pedantic
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Sab1 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:30 pm

So a majority monk using a QS will never be a damage machine.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Thanatosis » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm

Well, yeah that's true. But the thread is about cleric/monks specifically. And quarterstaff > fist (in terms of damage alone) for cleric monk.
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by telmarael » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:57 am

Could someone please add more specifics to the buiding path? Like, what feats (besides ESF disc) are a must and how to spread the ability points
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Terenfel » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:27 pm

Weapon finesse, duel wield feats. and then the spell focus you like, transmutation with war domain is very good. conjuration is also a good cleric school. Evocation is also good, divination if you want to scry and read people. but doing for more then two spell focus will leave you with too few combat feats.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Astral » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:55 am

telmarael wrote:Could someone please add more specifics to the buiding path? Like, what feats (besides ESF disc) are a must and how to spread the ability points
With charisma and war domain?

STR: 13
DEX: 8
CON: 14
WIS: 17 (gift) (24)
INT: 12
CHA: 18 (gift)

01: Cleric(1): power attack, divine might, Domain War, Domain Travel
02: Cleric(2)
03: Cleric(3): Two-Weapon Fighting
04: Cleric(4): WIS+1, (WIS=18)
05: Cleric(5)
06: Cleric(6): weapon focus
07: Cleric(7)
08: Cleric(8): WIS+1, (WIS=19)
09: Cleric(9): extend spell
10: Cleric(10)
11: Cleric(11)
12: Cleric(12): WIS+1, divine shield, (WIS=20)
13: Cleric(13)
14: Cleric(14)
15: Cleric(15): Spell Focus: transmutation
16: Cleric(16): WIS+1, (WIS=21)
17: Cleric(17)
18: Cleric(18): Greater Spell Focus: transmutation
19: Monk(1): {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
20: Monk(2): WIS+1, {Deflect Arrows}, (WIS=22)
21: Monk(3): epic weapon focus
22: Cleric(19)
23: Cleric(20)
24: Cleric(21): WIS+1, blind fight, (WIS=23)
25: Cleric(22)
26: Cleric(23): epic spell focus: transmutation
27: Cleric(24): epic prowess
28: Cleric(25): WIS+1, (WIS=24)
29: Monk(4)
30: Cleric(26): epic skill focus: discipline, armor skin

*I completely neglected the off-hand ab feats. Seems simple this way. still 6 apr with divine power alone is alright I think.
*Yeah, blind fight comes at 24. honestly the feats order can be adjusted but these I consider the must have feats for this to work.

Okay. No cha this time.

STR: 18
DEX: 8
CON: 14
WIS: 17 (24)
INT: 14
CHA: 8

01: Cleric(1): greater spell focus: transmutation, Spell Focus: transmutation, Domain Trickery, Domain Travel
02: Cleric(2)
03: Cleric(3): Two-Weapon Fighting
04: Cleric(4): WIS+1, (WIS=18)
05: Cleric(5)
06: Cleric(6): extend spell
07: Cleric(7)
08: Cleric(8): WIS+1, (WIS=19)
09: Cleric(9): weapon focus
10: Cleric(10)
11: Cleric(11)
12: Cleric(12): WIS+1, blind fight, (WIS=20)
13: Cleric(13)
14: Cleric(14)
15: Cleric(15): expertise
16: Cleric(16): WIS+1, (WIS=21)
17: Cleric(17)
18: Cleric(18): knockdown
19: Monk(1): {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
20: Monk(2): WIS+1, {Deflect Arrows}, (WIS=22)
21: Monk(3): epic weapon focus
22: Cleric(19)
23: Cleric(20)
24: Cleric(21): WIS+1, FREE, (WIS=23)
25: Cleric(22)
26: Cleric(23): epic spell focus: transmutation
27: Cleric(24): epic prowess
28: Cleric(25): WIS+1, (WIS=24)
29: Monk(4)
30: Cleric(26): epic skill focus: discipline, armor skin

*MORE PAWA this time, less ac.
*possibly, replace some pre-epic combat (kd, expertise) feats for GFS conjuration and replace trickery for animal (also syncs with the usefulness of a reliable transmutation Cat's on this build).
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by telmarael » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:14 am

Astral wrote:
telmarael wrote:Could someone please add more specifics to the buiding path? Like, what feats (besides ESF disc) are a must and how to spread the ability points
With charisma and war domain?

STR: 13
DEX: 8
CON: 14
WIS: 17 (gift) (24)
INT: 12
CHA: 18 (gift)

01: Cleric(1): power attack, divine might, Domain War, Domain Travel
02: Cleric(2)
03: Cleric(3): Two-Weapon Fighting
04: Cleric(4): WIS+1, (WIS=18)
05: Cleric(5)
06: Cleric(6): weapon focus
07: Cleric(7)
08: Cleric(8): WIS+1, (WIS=19)
09: Cleric(9): extend spell
10: Cleric(10)
11: Cleric(11)
12: Cleric(12): WIS+1, divine shield, (WIS=20)
13: Cleric(13)
14: Cleric(14)
15: Cleric(15): Spell Focus: transmutation
16: Cleric(16): WIS+1, (WIS=21)
17: Cleric(17)
18: Cleric(18): Greater Spell Focus: transmutation
19: Monk(1): {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
20: Monk(2): WIS+1, {Deflect Arrows}, (WIS=22)
21: Monk(3): epic weapon focus
22: Cleric(19)
23: Cleric(20)
24: Cleric(21): WIS+1, blind fight, (WIS=23)
25: Cleric(22)
26: Cleric(23): epic spell focus: transmutation
27: Cleric(24): epic prowess
28: Cleric(25): WIS+1, (WIS=24)
29: Monk(4)
30: Cleric(26): epic skill focus: discipline, armor skin

*I completely neglected the off-hand ab feats. Seems simple this way. still 6 apr with divine power alone is alright I think.
*Yeah, blind fight comes at 24. honestly the feats order can be adjusted but these I consider the must have feats for this to work.

Okay. No cha this time.

STR: 18
DEX: 8
CON: 14
WIS: 17 (24)
INT: 14
CHA: 8

01: Cleric(1): greater spell focus: transmutation, Spell Focus: transmutation, Domain Trickery, Domain Travel
02: Cleric(2)
03: Cleric(3): Two-Weapon Fighting
04: Cleric(4): WIS+1, (WIS=18)
05: Cleric(5)
06: Cleric(6): extend spell
07: Cleric(7)
08: Cleric(8): WIS+1, (WIS=19)
09: Cleric(9): weapon focus
10: Cleric(10)
11: Cleric(11)
12: Cleric(12): WIS+1, blind fight, (WIS=20)
13: Cleric(13)
14: Cleric(14)
15: Cleric(15): expertise
16: Cleric(16): WIS+1, (WIS=21)
17: Cleric(17)
18: Cleric(18): knockdown
19: Monk(1): {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
20: Monk(2): WIS+1, {Deflect Arrows}, (WIS=22)
21: Monk(3): epic weapon focus
22: Cleric(19)
23: Cleric(20)
24: Cleric(21): WIS+1, FREE, (WIS=23)
25: Cleric(22)
26: Cleric(23): epic spell focus: transmutation
27: Cleric(24): epic prowess
28: Cleric(25): WIS+1, (WIS=24)
29: Monk(4)
30: Cleric(26): epic skill focus: discipline, armor skin

*MORE PAWA this time, less ac.
*possibly, replace some pre-epic combat (kd, expertise) feats for GFS conjuration and replace trickery for animal (also syncs with the usefulness of a reliable transmutation Cat's on this build).
Looks very good :) Thank you! I should start collecting the builds people post around here on forums and make a thread with builds one day :p
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Sab1 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:19 pm

So I take it losing two cleric lvls for two monks lvls and free IKD isn't worth it?

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Thanatosis » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:31 pm

Sab1 wrote:So I take it losing two cleric lvls for two monks lvls and free IKD isn't worth it?
No. As a caster you want as much CL as you can get. Personally I'd play that build as 27/3 not 26/4. Having low CL in this era of Arelith (eralith???) of 22 pre-abjuration dispel, dispel-on-hit spellsword and paladin madness, is just not that strong.

It never really was "great" to have 23 or 24 CL, but it was liveable since all you really had to fear was abjuration-focused magi. Now there are a lot more things to worry about.
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by afreshstart » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:47 pm

Not sure if 8 dex is a good idea on a cloth wearing build.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Dr. B » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:07 am

One Two Three Five wrote:Like, a battlecleric, but with monk levels. Unarmored. Anyone got tips?
I want to say that it can be done, but I'm just not sure it can. The stat and level spread would be a nightmare; you want enough dex and wis for AC, enough str and monk levels for damage, and enough cleric spells and wis for spells. Your best bet is probably to pose this question directly to the git gud crew and see what they say.

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Astral » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:57 am

Something that doesnt show in the builds I posted is that 18/2 spread at lvl 20 is really good for saves. Those two monk lvls give you +3 to all saves and 18th cleric gives you most of what you would get from 20 cleric.
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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by ShotGunBunny » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:43 am

Hope I'm not necroing this thread. This is a concept I'm very interested in. I'm probably missing something obvious but why are the above builds all lacking Dexterity? I figure we want Wisdom at 19 and dump the rest into Dex for AB and even more AC. Damage is a big concern for this build, but 18 Strength (+4) isn't going to help much, is it?

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Re: Cleric/Monk

Post by Conversations With Your Car Alarm » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:27 am

Most priests that get divine might/shield cap out at 18-22 str. But these are primarily caster clerics as best I can tell. There is no need to take TWF without the other two feats. But, maybe I am missing something. Anyway, if you are interested in a similar build then shoot me a PM with the race you'd like to play (human is best mechanically, but we can make it work with any race) and any other things you want included or not included. If you don't know then just say that and we can talk it out.

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