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Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:41 am
by Astral
Human/helf
STR: 18 (26) (gift)
DEX: 14 (gift)
CON: 14
WIS: 12
INT: 14
CHA: 8
01: Monk(1): dodge, expertise, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows}
03: Monk(3): blind fight
04: Monk(4): STR+1, (STR=19)
05: Monk(5)
06: Monk(6): imp expertise, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
07: Monk(7)
08: Monk(8): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Monk(9): mobility, {Improved Evasion}
10: Monk(10)
11: Monk(11)
12: Monk(12): STR+1, spring attack, (STR=21)
13: Monk(13)
14: Monk(14)
15: Monk(15): whirlwind attack
16: Monk(16): STR+1, [free weapon focus: katana], (STR=22)
17: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice: Katana
18: Weapon Master(2): improved crit
19: Weapon Master(3)
20: Weapon Master(4): STR+1, (STR=23)
21: Weapon Master(5): epic weapon focus: katana
22: Weapon Master(6)
23: Weapon Master(7)
24: Monk(17): STR+1, armor skin, (STR=24)
25: Monk(18)
26: Monk(19)
27: Monk(20): Great Strength I, (STR=25)
28: Rogue(1): STR+1, (STR=26)
29: Rogue(2)
30: Rogue(3): epic dsicpline, {Uncanny Dodge I}
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:56 pm
by Ebonstar
why the gift for dex and not wis?
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:01 pm
by Astral
Ebonstar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:56 pm
why the gift for dex and not wis?
It doesnt really matter. You gotta end up with 14 dex and 12 wis. Organize it as you wish. You can also end up with 16 con and 10 wis if you value hp and fort save over 1 ac and wholeness of body multiplier. This spread in the build posted, however, is how I and some other builders think it works best.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:05 pm
by Kenji
Here's an idea for a Dex Monk 20 / WM 7 / Bard 3
Human:
Str 14 (16 Gift)
Dex 15 (17 Gift)
Con 12
Wis 14
Int 14
Cha 8
1~16: Monk 16
17~23: WM 7
24~27: Monk 20
28~30: Bard 3
Skills: Disc, Tumble, Listen, Parry, Spellcraft
Feats would almost be the same as listed from
Astral's spread
Trade Improved Expertise for Weapon Finesse, Great Dexterity for Blinding Speed, and ESF: Disc for ESF: Parry.
Stats to juggle in between:
Dex: Main stat for both AB and AC
Str: Damage and carry weight
Wis: Will save and AC
Con: Fort save and HP
Craftable Equipments:
Masterly Damask Katana
Enchanted Fine Silk Shirt
Adamantine Bracer of Avoidance
Duelist's Cape
Fine Elven Boots
Commence the Weebocalypse!
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:08 am
by Gonagul
Astral wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:41 am
Human/helf
STR: 18 (26) (gift)
DEX: 14 (gift)
CON: 14
WIS: 12
INT: 14
CHA: 8
01: Monk(1): dodge, expertise, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows}
03: Monk(3): blind fight
04: Monk(4): STR+1, (STR=19)
05: Monk(5)
06: Monk(6): imp expertise, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
07: Monk(7)
08: Monk(8): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Monk(9): mobility, {Improved Evasion}
10: Monk(10)
11: Monk(11)
12: Monk(12): STR+1, spring attack, (STR=21)
13: Monk(13)
14: Monk(14)
15: Monk(15): whirlwind attack
16: Monk(16): STR+1, [free weapon focus: katana], (STR=22)
17: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice: Katana
18: Weapon Master(2): improved crit
19: Weapon Master(3)
20: Weapon Master(4): STR+1, (STR=23)
21: Weapon Master(5): epic weapon focus: katana
22: Weapon Master(6)
23: Weapon Master(7)
24: Monk(17): STR+1, armor skin, (STR=24)
25: Monk(18)
26: Monk(19)
27: Monk(20): Great Strength I, (STR=25)
28: Rogue(1): STR+1, (STR=26)
29: Rogue(2)
30: Rogue(3): epic dsicpline, {Uncanny Dodge I}
Thank you very much for the breakdown, this helps a lot-- just coming back to the game and really excited to roll a new monk with these changes.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:59 am
by Archnon
Has anyone played around with a pure monk with Parry. I was thinking like a ju-jitsu theme dex build with pure monk. Max out parry and lean on the epic dodge feat for getting around the first round as sort of a one-on-one pvp master. The RP would be a sort of quixotic monk running around and challenging strangers to (potentially subdual to be nice) fights with the idea of a fighting style that used opponents strength against them.
I think the goal would be to take the Whirlwind feat cycle, WF unarmed, Finesse, Improved Parry, Armor Skin, ESF Parry, then either Epic Prowess and three spell resistance bonuses or four spell resistance bonuses to combat with mage duels.
Skills would max out parry, discipline, Tumble, Heal, and maybe some points into Hide or MS. There would be no dip for UMD.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:15 am
by liver and bones
Archnon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:59 am
Has anyone played around with a pure monk with Parry. I was thinking like a ju-jitsu theme dex build with pure monk. Max out parry and lean on the epic dodge feat for getting around the first round as sort of a one-on-one pvp master. The RP would be a sort of quixotic monk running around and challenging strangers to (potentially subdual to be nice) fights with the idea of a fighting style that used opponents strength against them.
I think the goal would be to take the Whirlwind feat cycle, WF unarmed, Finesse, Improved Parry, Armor Skin, ESF Parry, then either Epic Prowess and three spell resistance bonuses or four spell resistance bonuses to combat with mage duels.
Skills would max out parry, discipline, Tumble, Heal, and maybe some points into Hide or MS. There would be no dip for UMD.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Em ... p=drivesdk
Build might need some tweaking. You can drop Epic Prowess for ESF: Parry. Very difficult for you to max out 3 stats with no UMD. I recommend DEX/WIS. That means your max HP is going to be missing 180HP. Even with skleens, you might not even have +12 WIS.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:36 am
by Gonagul
Another question about the 20/7/3 build. What are thoughts on a Bard dip instead of a Rogue dip? Wouldn't have to cross-class for Spellcraft, and would get access to a not great, but still helpful Bard song-- at the expense of sneak attack. Does SA work through Rogue levels or player levels?
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:01 am
by Ebonstar
Gonagul wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:36 am
Another question about the 20/7/3 build. What are thoughts on a Bard dip instead of a Rogue dip? Wouldn't have to cross-class for Spellcraft, and would get access to a not great, but still helpful Bard song-- at the expense of sneak attack. Does SA work through Rogue levels or player levels?
sneak attack is rogue levels
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:01 pm
by Astral
Gonagul wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:36 am
Another question about the 20/7/3 build. What are thoughts on a Bard dip instead of a Rogue dip? Wouldn't have to cross-class for Spellcraft, and would get access to a not great, but still helpful Bard song-- at the expense of sneak attack. Does SA work through Rogue levels or player levels?
It's not a huge difference on this build. you already have evasion, uncanny dodge, decent saves (due to the fact you get 3 primary saves as a monk and you can entirely neglect will save) so rogue gives sneak and bard gives access to taunt. That's all the big difference really.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:28 am
by Gonagul
Astral wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:41 am
Human/helf
STR: 18 (26) (gift)
DEX: 14 (gift)
CON: 14
WIS: 12
INT: 14
CHA: 8
01: Monk(1): dodge, expertise, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows}
03: Monk(3): blind fight
04: Monk(4): STR+1, (STR=19)
05: Monk(5)
06: Monk(6): imp expertise, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
07: Monk(7)
08: Monk(8): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Monk(9): mobility, {Improved Evasion}
10: Monk(10)
11: Monk(11)
12: Monk(12): STR+1, spring attack, (STR=21)
13: Monk(13)
14: Monk(14)
15: Monk(15): whirlwind attack
16: Monk(16): STR+1, [free weapon focus: katana], (STR=22)
17: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice: Katana
18: Weapon Master(2): improved crit
19: Weapon Master(3)
20: Weapon Master(4): STR+1, (STR=23)
21: Weapon Master(5): epic weapon focus: katana
22: Weapon Master(6)
23: Weapon Master(7)
24: Monk(17): STR+1, armor skin, (STR=24)
25: Monk(18)
26: Monk(19)
27: Monk(20): Great Strength I, (STR=25)
28: Rogue(1): STR+1, (STR=26)
29: Rogue(2)
30: Rogue(3): epic dsicpline, {Uncanny Dodge I}
If playing non-human, which feat would be most expendable? IE? Great Str?
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 am
by Astral
If you play half-elf you get Dodge for free so you dont expend any feat.
If you any other race this build is not relevant because there would be many changes required to it, not just one less feat. Expending improved expertise or great strength are your worst choices in this build. The least of all evils is to give up epic skill discipline and take improved expertise on that feat slot instead but it's not recommended.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 8:44 pm
by Sea Shanties
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 am
If you any other race this build is not relevant because there would be many changes required to it, not just one less feat. Expending improved expertise or great strength are your worst choices in this build. The least of all evils is to give up epic skill discipline and take improved expertise on that feat slot instead but it's not recommended.
I think it really depends on the race and their ability bonuses/penalties. If you can start with 19 str you wouldn't need or want Great Strength.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 5:45 am
by Gonagul
Is gearing as straight forward as STR/CON? Or do we try and toss in WIS considering stuff like craftable monk cloth.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:19 am
by Astral
Gonagul wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 5:45 am
Is gearing as straight forward as STR/CON? Or do we try and toss in WIS considering stuff like craftable monk cloth.
For leveling up, you might need the ac so greaing str/wis is fine but eventually you will need Con almost as much as wis if not more. I'd save Con for 5% and/or runic items.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 2:47 pm
by the grim yeeter
The monk-katana synergy is an absolute joke. Somebody stop this madness.
https://imgur.com/a/Vaj5Zmf
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 3:12 pm
by Ork
That item is pretty bleh. Can't even stack a perm essence on there.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:59 pm
by the grim yeeter
It's not the item I said it for, necessarily. Although, a use/day free 110 damage on non-dexers is not that bad. Compare it to Greater Ruin, which sits at 167.5 damage average. Now, this is less damage and there's a roll to be made still, but it's a touch attack and that's guaranteed to hit versus certain builds, and it's on an item, that can be used by anyone. Not an epic feat that requires you to be an epic caster.
But yeah, it's not that 110 damage compares to 6 apr 1d10 13-20/3x at... 21 base + 14 str + 4 feats + 3 weapon + 3 ki strikes + 1 wm = 46 AB. That's not counting any other potential buffs to AB (e.g., aid, prayer, you name it) or the extra attacks from haste and whirlwind.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 3:51 am
by Zahlzeit
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 am
If you play half-elf you get Dodge for free so you dont expend any feat.
If you any other race this build is not relevant because there would be many changes required to it, not just one less feat. Expending improved expertise or great strength are your worst choices in this build. The least of all evils is to give up epic skill discipline and take improved expertise on that feat slot instead but it's not recommended.
What is a build that doesn't need half-elf then? Non-30, post-patch monk builds have been asked for multiple times in the discord but it seems no one has stepped forward besides this.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:14 pm
by Astral
Zahlzeit wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 3:51 am
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 am
If you play half-elf you get Dodge for free so you dont expend any feat.
If you any other race this build is not relevant because there would be many changes required to it, not just one less feat. Expending improved expertise or great strength are your worst choices in this build. The least of all evils is to give up epic skill discipline and take improved expertise on that feat slot instead but it's not recommended.
What is a build that doesn't need half-elf then? Non-30, post-patch monk builds have been asked for multiple times in the discord but it seems no one has stepped forward besides this.
First of all this build is 20 monk 7 wm 3 rogue (or bard). It is not a pure monk build.
Second, this build is the same for human and half-elf because human gets extra feat but half-elf gets dodge for free, so it's the same thing.
Third, there's no need for a written build for 30 monk. You get most of the essential feats for free. You just need to remember to pick up expertise, improved expertise, weapon finesse (if dex based) and blind fight and do whatever you want for your remaining feats (probably the 3 two-weapon fighting related feats and toughness as your last pre-epic feat if human). It's also recommended to take 3 Improved SR feats to be nearly immune to spells. These things were said on discord and on these forums many times.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:59 pm
by Zahlzeit
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 12:14 pm
Zahlzeit wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 3:51 am
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 am
If you play half-elf you get Dodge for free so you dont expend any feat.
If you any other race this build is not relevant because there would be many changes required to it, not just one less feat. Expending improved expertise or great strength are your worst choices in this build. The least of all evils is to give up epic skill discipline and take improved expertise on that feat slot instead but it's not recommended.
What is a build that doesn't need half-elf then? Non-30, post-patch monk builds have been asked for multiple times in the discord but it seems no one has stepped forward besides this.
First of all this build is 20 monk 7 wm 3 rogue (or bard). It is not a pure monk build.
Second, this build is the same for human and half-elf because human gets extra feat but half-elf gets dodge for free, so it's the same thing.
Third, there's no need for a written build for 30 monk. You get most of the essential feats for free. You just need to remember to pick up expertise, improved expertise, weapon finesse (if dex based) and blind fight and do whatever you want for your remaining feats (probably the 3 two-weapon fighting related feats and toughness as your last pre-epic feat if human). It's also recommended to take 3 Improved SR feats to be nearly immune to spells. These things were said on discord and on these forums many times.
Thank you for your insight. With no sarcasm your input is appreciated.
I'm not sure if you misread, but I was saying NON-30 monk builds have been asked for, but few have come up.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:48 pm
by Archnon
Generic noob question. If SR is so high, why bother with blind fight?
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:50 pm
by Astral
Zahlzeit wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 1:59 pm
I'm not sure if you misread, but I was saying NON-30 monk builds have been asked for, but few have come up.
I misread xD
There's always 20 monk 5 rogue (or assassin) 5 shadow dancer. My personal favorite from before the monk buffs. I'd say this build is still the most reliable monk build exist but it still pretty low in offense in pvp. It's really hard to kill, though.
Archnon wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 2:48 pm
Generic noob question. If SR is so high, why bother with blind fight?
SR is relevant when a spell is cast on you. Its not relevant when a target has 50% concealment from improved invisibility and blind fight still effectively reduces it to 25%.
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:11 pm
by Zahlzeit
Astral wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 4:50 pm
Zahlzeit wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 1:59 pm
I'm not sure if you misread, but I was saying NON-30 monk builds have been asked for, but few have come up.
I misread xD
There's always 20 monk 5 rogue (or assassin) 5 shadow dancer. My personal favorite from before the monk buffs. I'd say this build is still the most reliable monk build exist but it still pretty low in offense in pvp. It's really hard to kill, though.
How should one build a monk that wants to do well in pvp? Or should I look elsewhere?
Re: Your Monk Builds Ideas
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:25 pm
by Astral
You best ask the Git Gud green people in the discord but imo the best pvp monk right now is that monk wm build above.