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Post by Ozzy.nl » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:31 am

When i look at one of cortex his rock fiend warlocks i have a few questions.

Do you only level up con in this build?

What kind of gear should you get?

To get sucsess on casting you just spam spells?

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Re: Warlock

Post by Peppermint » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:44 pm

You want 16 charisma in order to get all your spells. Everything else goes into constitution.

The only stat that matters to you is constitution. Wear constitution + universal saves gear. Enchant concentration, discipline, and spellcraft as skills. If you can get heal (e.g. by enchanting dropped items), all the better.

For your armor/shield/helmet, you want adamantine for a combination of AC/Damage Immunity. For your weapon, you want something with high AB to maximize touch attack rolls. None of the other stats on it matter.

Just summon and spam spells to win. It's a very forgiving class.

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Re: Warlock

Post by Ozzy.nl » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:42 pm

Weapon?

Wait how do warlocks these days work?

I still remember the old once right after they trew the staffs out.
And would addy armor and shield not effect the arcane spell failure?

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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:53 pm

Warlocks are pretty much the same as after they got rid of staves. Having a +3 weapon just gives you +3 to your ranged touch attack rolls with warlock blast.

They also get -20% spell failure on armor and shield, so can equip chain shirts and large shields with no spell failure penalty.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Aodh Lazuli » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:47 am

Baron Saturday wrote:Warlocks are pretty much the same as after they got rid of staves. Having a +3 weapon just gives you +3 to your ranged touch attack rolls with warlock blast.
Would you get another 2AB on those touch attacks for using a large weapon?
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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:12 am

Mmmmmmaybe? I don't know that it's worth losing 5 AC, though.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Ozzy.nl » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:40 am

Sweet never knew that.
And walking around in armor and longsword gives a illusion that you are just another fighter when in a group.

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Re: Warlock

Post by Aodh Lazuli » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:15 pm

Ozzy.nl wrote:Sweet never knew that.
And walking around in armor and longsword gives a illusion that you are just another fighter when in a group.
You'll probably want to bluff a couple of attributes for that.
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Re: Warlock

Post by gilescorey » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:57 pm

Aodh Lazuli wrote:Would you get another 2AB on those touch attacks for using a large weapon?
Yes

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Re: Warlock

Post by Wytchee » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:03 pm

Note that AB isn't at all important to warlocks. It's a ranged touch attack, which avoids the vast majority of armor sources.

I had an epic lock with 11 base dexterity, and a maximized cat's grace was enough to ensure his blasts landed 99% of the time. You'll only run into trouble against high-dex AC enemies, and even then it's like 50/50.

So don't sweat AB. Warlocks are a very easy class.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Lorkas » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:15 am

(95% sorry I can't not do this I am a pedant)

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Re: Warlock

Post by gilescorey » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:00 am

Lorkas wrote:(95% sorry I can't not do this I am a pedant)
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Re: Warlock

Post by Ozzy.nl » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:44 am

So if i where to use a spear and get some str items plus max str i would have a decent enough ab to hit with the range attack?

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Re: Warlock

Post by Hexgoblin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:22 am

Touch attacks use dex to calculate AB.

In general, though. Full con/uni gear, addy stuff, EDR3, gsf conj and abjuration, quicken as your only metamagic.

Use a greensteel/damask +3 weapon or a +4 enhancement random dungeon rack one. You'll only struggle to hit pre-lvl.12, but you've a summon for that. Having played several warlocks to 30, you'll hit things like Abazuur very reliably just by how touch attacks work, without a single piece of dex gear.

Dexlocks are a myth. Don't do it. They're a bad meme with their roots in the pursuit of making touch attacks reliable at low levels. Which they're not. At higher levels, though? Most reliable form of offense in the game, as long as you can do away with enemy concealment.

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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:01 am

Hexgoblin wrote:Dexlocks are a myth. Don't do it. They're a bad meme with their roots in the pursuit of making touch attacks reliable at low levels. Which they're not. At higher levels, though? Most reliable form of offense in the game, as long as you can do away with enemy concealment.
I dunno, I enjoyed my dex-based feylock. The idea behind it was actually to make feylocks less frustratingly vulnerable at low levels, which worked just fine. I wouldn't try it with a fiendlock, but feylocks get a decent group of defensive spells, making going for AC with one a less futile gesture. And with things like the Armor of Immolation around, I think that could be a good bit of fun to try.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Wytchee » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:05 pm

Lorkas wrote:(95% sorry I can't not do this I am a pedant)
Dork.
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Re: Warlock

Post by BegoneThoth » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:52 pm

I'm guessing blind-fight has no influence on RTA's?
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Re: Warlock

Post by Wytchee » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:00 pm

BegoneThoth wrote:I'm guessing blind-fight has no influence on RTA's?
It does. Blind fight is mandatory on a warlock, I'd say!
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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:10 pm

Wytchee wrote:
BegoneThoth wrote:I'm guessing blind-fight has no influence on RTA's?
It does. Blind fight is mandatory on a warlock, I'd say!
Yeah, blind fight is necessary. That's not even opinion, that's unholy gospel.
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Re: Warlock

Post by I_Am_King_Midas » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:00 pm

How good are warlocks these days? Do they excel at pace or pvp? How do they compare to others?
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Re: Warlock

Post by High Primate » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:14 pm

Feylocks can now be countered in PvP by a certain method that used to be off the table, unless they make certain preparations, and they aren't as powerful as they were in PvE due to the change to mass haste, but otherwise I'd imagine they're still solid in both. Keep in mind, they used to be ridiculously overpowered.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:17 pm

Yup. Warlocks in general are solid, easy to build, easy to play.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Wytchee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:32 am

Baron Saturday wrote:Yup. Warlocks in general are solid, easy to build, easy to play.
The tradeoff being there's only one way to build them, really, with little variation.
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Re: Warlock

Post by Baron Saturday » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:32 am

Wytchee wrote:
Baron Saturday wrote:Yup. Warlocks in general are solid, easy to build, easy to play.
The tradeoff being there's only one way to build them, really, with little variation.
Greaselock meta will rise someday, just you wait!
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Re: Warlock

Post by rookie » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:33 am

Baron Saturday wrote:
Wytchee wrote:
Baron Saturday wrote:Yup. Warlocks in general are solid, easy to build, easy to play.
The tradeoff being there's only one way to build them, really, with little variation.
Greaselock meta will rise someday, just you wait!
You jest but it would probably be workable even now... 22(23) Fiendlock/8(7) Ranger, around DC: 28 - 31 Reflex Save no spellcraft help and immune to Grease thanks to Woodland Stride allowing it to act as both offense and defense. Uses Summon Monster IX scrolls for Ancient Earth Elementals instead of their fiends as they're immune to KD. Add in a skill dump for Animal Empathy and you have an additional "okay" pet that can't be banished that you just need a half second to refresh every 7-8 minutes.

Not going to say it would be "top tier" but should be decent.

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