Primordials

[Seven Sons of Sin]

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Primordial

Do they exist in Arelith?

I've seen some IC statues and fixtures that use Primordials, particularly to describe some of the elemental gods.

If they don't exist, how does one react when someone claims they exist?

Sidenote: Should we ever have a discussion, or an outline, that details what is and what is not, in FR lore for Arelith? As the Forgotten Realms move farther and farther away from 1372, it may be beneficial we start to catalogue what is canon at the time of 1372.

[Cortex]

I am nearly certain the 4.0+ and 3.0-3.5 primordials are different things.

[Maphias]

4th Edition Garbage.

And I believe the Lore is that basically Everything in 1372 happened EXCEPT the stuff that was City-destruction, so no Silence of Llolth.

[Dinosaur Space Program]

Primordials existed before 4th Edition.

See: Ubtao and his entire backstory as of 3.5.

[Nitro]

Primordials have been around for a while, but the name of them has changed a bit between editions, and which ones are one has changed too. Kossuth for instance was described as one of the elemental lords in the 1st edition Manual of the planes, but later in 3rd edition was referred to largely as a deity with no explanation as to his potential elemental lord/primordial status in the forgotten realms campaign setting.

Then later on in 4th edition he was once again described as a primordial deity.

[CragOneEye]

Primordials have been around for a while, but the name of them has changed a bit between editions, and which ones are one has changed too. Kossuth for instance was described as one of the elemental lords in the 1st edition Manual of the planes, but later in 3rd edition was referred to largely as a deity with no explanation as to his potential elemental lord/primordial status in the forgotten realms campaign setting.

Then later on in 4th edition he was once again described as a primordial deity.

Way I assumed FR lore works as follows: unless 3.0/3.5 ed says it specifically has changed, you keep the lore from previous editions.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

So what do you do in-game when characters called Akadi a Primordial? "Sorry you're wrong"?

[Kuma]

So what do you do in-game when characters called Akadi a Primordial? "Sorry you're wrong"?

If your character knows that they're proper gods, then, could do, yes. I did it all the time with Banites, "Banehold", Hoar being LE, "exarchs", etc.

It makes me a jerk but w/e

[Iceborn]

So what do you do in-game when characters called Akadi a Primordial? "Sorry you're wrong"?

Personally, I'd just take primordial as a tittle. After all, Akadi -is- the elemental god of air; Who's to say she can't be classified as both?
Unless this is a really important definition that your character must grasp at all cost, I'd say that it's worth taking it with a grain of salt.

[Naiphe]

its open to interpretation, but the main difference is the primordials exist in order for that element to exist, and came about at the beginning of existance of Faerun. The gods were elevated to god status later on. So really they are opposite?

[Iceborn]

Details of this sort, Naiphe, I think firmly, are something of metastructure knowledge, that should not be available to the players.
The characters, in the other hand, are free to believe and claim whatever they desire.

[Putrid Kitten]

So Kezef doesn't exist? And if he does, what is he?
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kezef

[Naiphe]

Details of this sort, Naiphe, I think firmly, are something of metastructure knowledge, that should not be available to the players.
The characters, in the other hand, are free to believe and claim whatever they desire.

Well, I'm sure when they interact with their clergy its to guide and inform them so, they would tell them? I'd imagine, anyway.

[Iceborn]

I am unsure.
The deities are mysterious in many ways, and even those that may commune with their gods aren't told everything.
Many details, mostly origins and myths of the sort, are ought to remain uncertain, to both player and character.

[CocoHaram]

So Kezef doesn't exist? And if he does, what is he?
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kezef

Kezef was an Elder Evil before he was a primordial. Same with Dendar the Night Serpent.

[Recite the Sins]

So Kezef doesn't exist? And if he does, what is he?
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kezef

Kezef was an Elder Evil before he was a primordial. Same with Dendar the Night Serpent.

Wrong, they were the seven lost gods/demipowers that bowed before Bane/slash got killed during his ascension

Most of them still live though. Primordial is probably the better term for them even if it's 4th Ed, they weren't 'elder evils'.

[Nitro]

Well, the quote of Kezef being an elder evil comes from Powers and Pantheons, released in 1997 and set in 1370DR, so that seems like the most accurate descriptor for the chaos hound.

[Recite the Sins]

... ew.

well i guess he is then

doesn't... make any sense but okay

[CocoHaram]

... ew.

well i guess he is then

doesn't... make any sense but okay

It doesn't. That's why they changed him into a Primordial which makes marginally more sense.

Though that gave me a chuckle, may want to check up on lore before calling somebody wrong! Jus' saying.

[Recite the Sins]

Though that gave me a chuckle, may want to check up on lore before calling somebody wrong! Jus' saying.

listen here, fam

[CragOneEye]

Though that gave me a chuckle, may want to check up on lore before calling somebody wrong! Jus' saying.

listen here, fam

Was sooooo hoping the term fam would never cross over to here in arelith

[CocoHaram]

Though that gave me a chuckle, may want to check up on lore before calling somebody wrong! Jus' saying.

listen here, fam

Was sooooo hoping the term fam would never cross over to here in arelith

Can only dream, chief. Vidya works in mysterious ways.

[Ambigue]

Was sooooo hoping the term fam would never cross over to here in arelith

Is there a particular reason for that or is this one of those things were people get angry when a person says something like "Bae" unironically?

[CragOneEye]

Was sooooo hoping the term fam would never cross over to here in arelith

Is there a particular reason for that or is this one of those things were people get angry when a person says something like "Bae" unironically?

Fam as I understand is short for family, but is usually used in a derogatory sense. It's a new gaming term that recently entered the inter-webs, one I see get used lots in league of legends, and think it's one of the silliest terms made up.

[Naiphe]

Fam as I understand is short for family, but is usually used in a derogatory sense.

I must be getting old...how can that be used in a derogatory sense?