Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

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Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Diilicious » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:28 pm

What with the update of being able to put many many maaaaaany times more items into a single stack than before might the rules about taking said stacks need changing?
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Morderon » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Nope.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Ork » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:11 pm

If you're worried about someone pickpocketing hundreds of diamonds..split em up

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by PinataPlethora » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:46 pm

Isn't there a weight limit on pickpocketable items?

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Miskol » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:49 pm

I don't believe there is a weight limit, but you cannot pickpocket an item that surpasses 1x2 in your inventory slots.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by R0GUE » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 pm

Is it possible to pick pocket say gem bags thus getting dozens and dozens of items at once?

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Diilicious » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:09 pm

Ork wrote:
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If you're worried about someone pickpocketing hundreds of diamonds..split em up
im not worried about it, it just seems like a really obvious glaring oversight. and with this logic you would have to go out of your way not to use a pretty good (awesome) new system.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by MalKalz » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:30 pm

Diilicious wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:09 pm
Ork wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:11 pm
If you're worried about someone pickpocketing hundreds of diamonds..split em up
im not worried about it, it just seems like a really obvious glaring oversight. and with this logic you would have to go out of your way not to use a pretty good (awesome) new system.
You've always been able to steal stacks before. The rules of pickpocketing will remain the same. I also wouldn't call everything a glaring oversight.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Diilicious » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:33 pm

I know you have been able to steal stacks before... the point is now instead of stealing a stack of.. 99 arrows, you can steal 500+ arrows all at once.. instead of stealing 10 heal potions, can you steal what.. 99 of them or something... the amount you can potentially steal from somebody in a single action has like octupled, before they would have to wait ten individual IRL days to steal that amount of stuff from you.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Ork » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Items come and go. I think that's been the trend on arelith for ever. Lose something to a bug/glitch/reset? SoL. The game's theme isn't about micromanaging resources.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Diilicious » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:38 pm

well at least theres potential to have said giant stacks of items duplicated as well as lost, especially with how "enhanced" the edition of the game is.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Kalopsia » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:42 pm

Wouldn’t it be possible to adjust the pickpocket script to only remove one item (or 1d4, perhaps scaling with hard PP ranks?) from a stack that would otherwise be stolen?

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Queen Titania » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:55 pm

As said above, the rules aren't changing. If you're worried about losing high amounts of stacks, start splitting.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Nitro » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Or get blade orbs.

It's not like this really changes anything, stacks of 99 diamonds were already at risk for pickpocketing before gem-pouches were introduced.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Miskol » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:51 pm

R0GUE wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 pm
Is it possible to pick pocket say gem bags thus getting dozens and dozens of items at once?
Since the gem bag fits the 2x1 criteria, it is possible to be stolen, and you would indeed lose everything inside as well.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by R0GUE » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:36 pm

Miskol wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:51 pm
R0GUE wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 pm
Is it possible to pick pocket say gem bags thus getting dozens and dozens of items at once?
Since the gem bag fits the 2x1 criteria, it is possible to be stolen, and you would indeed lose everything inside as well.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Party in the forest at midnight » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:14 pm

Do people actually pickpocket on this server?

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Commissar » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:22 pm

Occasionally. I've only ever had someone try to pickpocket my characters once, that I'm aware of - although it's entirely possible that I'm just hideously unobservant and failed the spot check every other time.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Sab1 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:32 am

Miskol wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:51 pm
R0GUE wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 pm
Is it possible to pick pocket say gem bags thus getting dozens and dozens of items at once?
Since the gem bag fits the 2x1 criteria, it is possible to be stolen, and you would indeed lose everything inside as well.
Keys are 1x2 and couldn't be pickpocketed. I think that things like key rings and gem pouches can't be pickpocketed. Not 100% sure but would really defat the use of a gem pouch if someone could just steal all your gems at once.

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Queen Titania » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:03 am

Party in the forest at midnight wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:14 pm
Do people actually pickpocket on this server?
Yes.
R0GUE wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:01 pm
Is it possible to pick pocket say gem bags thus getting dozens and dozens of items at once?
No.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Durvayas » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:05 pm

DM Titania wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:55 pm
As said above, the rules aren't changing. If you're worried about losing high amounts of stacks, start splitting.
Nowhere in the rules does it say that you can't just take a bunch of split stacks, re-organize them into one stack, and then steal that stack. There's no way to prove someone didn't do just that, or that you had your items split into stacks in the first place without taking screenshots.

How is this enforceable?
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Morderon » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:14 pm

The logs?

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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Queen Titania » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:10 pm

Durvayas wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:05 pm
DM Titania wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:55 pm
As said above, the rules aren't changing. If you're worried about losing high amounts of stacks, start splitting.
Nowhere in the rules does it say that you can't just take a bunch of split stacks, re-organize them into one stack, and then steal that stack. There's no way to prove someone didn't do just that, or that you had your items split into stacks in the first place without taking screenshots.

How is this enforceable?
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The logs tell us exactly what was stolen. Good luck with either side trying to lie. They also tell us how often pickpocketing happens, which is far more than this thread would like to believe.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by Durvayas » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:31 pm

I was unaware that the logs keep track of what goes on inside the chests themselves as well. This is reassuring, and my concerns are allayed.
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Re: Are the Thieving rules changed at all?

Post by PinataPlethora » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:37 pm

Every time you open a quarter chest, you get a message saying that your actions are being logged. Potentially, every single item transfer everywhere, from corpses to inventory, player trades, chests, barrels, crates, can be logged and saved.

This stuff isn't being monitored with outdated security cameras in the corner. Literally every single thing you or anyone does on Arelith is sent as a request to the server. It knows everything.

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