Is Coffee IC? Yes.

[Stath]

Without your cup of morning joe you're just a regular joe

[Twily]

All the same, all opinions aren't equal and not everyone's opinion is necessarily valid or above ridicule. If you're getting hung up on coffee being immersion breaking, you should re-examine the setting, the game, and your own involvement in it.

Please respect my opinion as I would do for your own.

I find someone walking into the tavern and saying "I've had a long day and could use a nice strong cup of coffee" immersion breaking, and I also find it immersion breaking to have to be that person.
I don't judge players who say this, I don't report them, I don't send them nasty tells. (because as I said in my suggestion, I understand the need for a way to raise rest beyond resting)
Why should I "re-examine my own involvement" in the game just because I have a harmless opinion that clearly contradicts your own?

Once again, I ask that you please respect my opinion as I would do for yours.
If you want to voice your own opinion on the subject that's fine, but please do so by explaining your own view on the subject, rather than posting attacks that are rather clearly directed at me.


And just for the record, I'm not "hung up" on coffee being immersion breaking. If they never make a change to it, I wouldn't care.
My suggestion is just that, a suggestion based on my own experiences and views(just like almost every other suggestion there is). I don't expect everyone to agree with it, but I do expect to be treated with the same respect I show others who post suggestions that I disagree with.

[Durvayas]

My only suggestion for coffee, would be to implement a caffeine meter that fills up very quickly and does CON damage if it is pumped above 100%(representing heart palpitations from caffeine overdose), to make it impossible for someone to live for days on end without sleeping by constantly filling their rest meter with coffee endlessly.

If we're going to talk about immersion here.

[Dr. B]

Can we add ice coffee?

[Cybernet21]

Guys...you are arguing about coffee in a game,Twily just made a suggestion based on her/his opinions and also got a answer from a DM saying coffe does exist in FR,but still has the suggestion up even if he/she does understand the other point of view.

No need to make a thread to argue on this.

PS: Oh and a lot of people on this thread are having fun instead of arguing wich makes sense since the thread is on the Slanty Shantry ,i dont think any of them are directing any trolling towards you Twily.

[PinataPlethora]

Guys...you are arguing about coffee in a game[...]

If all arguments on the forums were about coffee, instead of what they're usually about, I would be much happier.

[afreshstart]

Coffee addiction isn't a new thing to the world. Sultan Murad IV banned coffee along with drinking and smoking in the 17th ceuntry.

[caldura firebourne]

Can IC coffee be a thing in the underdark?

I think the people there would be a little more accomadating and less evil if they had daily coffee at their bar

[Dr_Hazard89]

Can IC coffee be a thing in the underdark?

I think the people there would be a little more accomadating and less evil if they had daily coffee at their bar

No. Only lines of ziran.

[Dr. B]

Guys, I don't want this thread to contain animosity. Can we just talk about coffee?

[Chucky1234]

If coffee is available at the bar then definitely nuts should be too. It's rare to find a bar that doesn't off some dodgy looking peanuts.

[Dr. B]

What I want to know is if we can add craftable pumpkin spice to the herbalism school.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

All the same, all opinions aren't equal and not everyone's opinion is necessarily valid or above ridicule. If you're getting hung up on coffee being immersion breaking, you should re-examine the setting, the game, and your own involvement in it.

Please respect my opinion as I would do for your own.

I find someone walking into the tavern and saying "I've had a long day and could use a nice strong cup of coffee" immersion breaking, and I also find it immersion breaking to have to be that person.
I don't judge players who say this, I don't report them, I don't send them nasty tells. (because as I said in my suggestion, I understand the need for a way to raise rest beyond resting)
Why should I "re-examine my own involvement" in the game just because I have a harmless opinion that clearly contradicts your own?

Once again, I ask that you please respect my opinion as I would do for yours.
If you want to voice your own opinion on the subject that's fine, but please do so by explaining your own view on the subject, rather than posting attacks that are rather clearly directed at me.


And just for the record, I'm not "hung up" on coffee being immersion breaking. If they never make a change to it, I wouldn't care.
My suggestion is just that, a suggestion based on my own experiences and views(just like almost every other suggestion there is). I don't expect everyone to agree with it, but I do expect to be treated with the same respect I show others who post suggestions that I disagree with.

I'm actually concerned by the fact coffee is immersion breaking. Are you not recognizing the fact coffee was a beverage in the Middle East and Near East during 1500s?

Coffee would actually be a lore-accepting beverage, and aligns with Faerunian analogues and Early Modern history, of which Arelith is firmly set in.

[Thanatosis]

I think Twily's point is not that coffee's existence is tantamount to evil but that the way people treat it in game is jarring and somewhat weird.

Seeing somebody talk about how they "just can't live without their coffee" feels anachronistic, like something I'd hear from another guy at work, not an elf ranger while we traverse a mountain to fight ice giants.

At the end of the day it's not really a big deal. It's like saying "okay" in game -- it bothers me because it originated from a US presidential campaign in the mid 1800s, but aside from a minor pet peeve it's so totally irrelevant and I don't really care that much.

I know a litany of great roleplayers who use "okay" in game and talk about coffee, and I know a litany of those who don't. Spoiler: they're not great simply because they abstain.

[Iceborn]

I think Twily's point is not that coffee's existence is tantamount to evil but that the way people treat it in game is jarring and somewhat weird.

Seeing somebody talk about how they "just can't live without their coffee" feels anachronistic, like something I'd hear from another guy at work, not an elf ranger while we traverse a mountain to fight ice giants.

At the end of the day it's not really a big deal. It's like saying "okay" in game -- it bothers me because it originated from a US presidential campaign in the mid 1800s, but aside from a minor pet peeve it's so totally irrelevant and I don't really care that much.

I know a litany of great roleplayers who use "okay" in game and talk about coffee, and I know a litany of those who don't. Spoiler: they're not great simply because they abstain.

This.
Coffee may exist in our gameworld, but it receives a treatment that hits too close home. (I've done it, too). it seems something too common, too ordinary, something that is too tied to our own lives to receive another approach, a more fantastic and immersive approach in the setting.

Can we have it renamed to Kaeth at least? So that it gets a differentiating... touch?

[flower]

Do we really have that much time to argue over a coffee IG in like over two pages already?


...whats wrong....

[One Two Three Five]

It's like saying "okay" in game -- it bothers me because it originated from a US presidential campaign in the mid 1800s,

In the nicest way possible this is literally the best summation of these sorts of threads I have ever seen, and not like, in a good way

[Twily]

I think Twily's point is not that coffee's existence is tantamount to evil but that the way people treat it in game is jarring and somewhat weird.

Seeing somebody talk about how they "just can't live without their coffee" feels anachronistic, like something I'd hear from another guy at work, not an elf ranger while we traverse a mountain to fight ice giants.

At the end of the day it's not really a big deal. It's like saying "okay" in game -- it bothers me because it originated from a US presidential campaign in the mid 1800s, but aside from a minor pet peeve it's so totally irrelevant and I don't really care that much.

I know a litany of great roleplayers who use "okay" in game and talk about coffee, and I know a litany of those who don't. Spoiler: they're not great simply because they abstain.

This.
Coffee may exist in our gameworld, but it receives a treatment that hits too close home. (I've done it, too). it seems something too common, too ordinary, something that is too tied to our own lives to receive another approach, a more fantastic and immersive approach in the setting.

Can we have it renamed to Kaeth at least? So that it gets a differentiating... touch?

Exactly, to all of this.
This is exactly why I find it a bit immersion breaking, but just like Thanatosis says about the use of "okay", it's little more than a minor pet peeve.
I just figured I'd throw the suggestion out there, because hey, why not. It's just a suggestion, something that usually goes more or less completely un-noticed.
The fact it sparked the response it has, has me rather baffled.

[Cortex]

can we add gnomish kaeth machines

[Morderon]

K(aeth)-cups.

[Nitro]

I think all these threads about suggestions are getting a bit silly. We had comments turned off in the suggestions forum for a reason, so do we really need to go making threads about other peoples suggestions every other day?

[Dr. B]

Oh, that reminds me:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16948

But the FR wiki states that Kaeth is also referred to in the realms as coffee.

[Iceborn]

Yeah, it does. But I find myself stranged every time I see it.
I don't see much harm in having it changed; only the contrary.

Just the same, it doesn't stop people from saying coffee all they want ICly.
But it nudges the people in the 'right' direction.

[Dr. B]

But it nudges the people in the 'right' direction.

Yeah, but what's 'wrong' with "coffee"? You wrote this:

I find myself stranged every time I see it.

Yet other people don't, so this is does not establish your case.

[TimeAdept]

its literally called coffee in the realms.

you're the only one calling it wrong.

just because they don't use the arbitrary fantasy designation does not make them wrong.