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Kensai Update

Post by Kaymon24 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:55 pm

Can New Kensai now use UMD items now or is it strictly potions?

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Peppermint » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:01 pm

Just potions.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Sockss » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:02 pm

Also anything with a mundane tag!
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by gilescorey » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:03 pm

•Cannot use scrolls other than Raise Dead, Resurrection, Lesser Restoration, Restoration and Greater Restoration.
•Cannot use wands.
•Kensai can now use any potion.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Kaymon24 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:16 pm

That has never happened to kensai before. neat

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by GwaiLo » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:48 pm

My character is ruined now. Time to roll.

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Post by SilverCrow » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:49 pm

same

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Sockss » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:51 pm

You.... got a... flat upgrade.
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Twily » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:56 pm

GwaiLo wrote:My character is ruined now. Time to roll.
I can relate.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by gilescorey » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:59 pm

LOOK

I PLAYED NOTHING BUT KENSAI MONKS BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO RLY FAST, ALL THE TIME

NOW? I GOTTA DRINK A POTION

CORTEX RUINED ARELITH FOR ME

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by SilverCrow » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:03 pm

gilescorey wrote:LOOK

I PLAYED NOTHING BUT KENSAI MONKS BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO RLY FAST, ALL THE TIME

NOW? I GOTTA DRINK A POTION

CORTEX RUINED ARELITH FOR ME
same fam
#feelsbadman

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Griefmaker » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:11 pm

I love this update! Excellent work! Now I just need to play a kensai again to enjoy it...

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Rogaku » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:21 pm

I admit, I am a bit sad at the lost of Permahaste but talking on the Discord's sold me to roll with it and make the most of the change.
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Cortex » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:28 pm

I'm genuinely curious about what's ruined it for people, comparing to before, you've lost:

•50% move speed.
•+10 discipline.
•+2 constant AC (in exchange of getting 4 hasted now).

In turn you've gotten:

•Potions.
•Restoration line scrolls.
•+10 listen (and possibly still +10 spot).
•Haste compatibility.
•New possibilities with classes.

Some history I've learned on the move speed bonus: It was originally added to counter the now long defunct speed penalty from wearing heavy armor, with that gone, there was no longer a point in having it, it just stuck around... for a long time.
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by GwaiLo » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:37 pm

I built my character to make the best of kensai. Being able to keep up with people while stealth was a lot of fun, I would sneak into everywhere. I made my character immune to mind spells, potions, attacks of opportunity/spell resistane to make him more fun as a kensai running around battle like a ninja. Loss of discipline means I am easily knocked down and killed now. The changes may be great, but I would definitely make a different character than the one I have now.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Darkness_Dawns » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:53 pm

I'm not mad about the changes at all, but because my character's RP relied on the whole "haste" for movement thing, that's the only reason why I'm going to roll Nathan. Besides, he was only a temporary character anyways. I give you Kudos Cortex. I will probably play another Kensai again at some point that will take advantage of what you guys came up with. It just isn't Nathan.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Twily » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:18 am

Ultimately, I just wish having the new version of the path would have been optional.

If this thread says anything, it shows there are a number of people who did like how it was before.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by GwaiLo » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:22 am

There is also a role play aspect that such a profound change will have on your character. If you spent 30 levels role playing his speed being a defining characteristic, you would have to explain why he is so slow now. Easier to start fresh maybe.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Stath » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:22 am

Are you roleplaying being sonic?
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Iceborn » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:23 am

Gonna miss playing Sonic the Kobold, but I still get monk speed, so I'm still good.

I have to ask, though...

Why the Listen?
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by gilescorey » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:24 am

Iceborn wrote:I have to ask, though...

Why the Listen?
Detecting stealthers. Normally you can just use True Sight to detect anybody not around a corner -- not having it makes you pretty susceptible to anyone with a brain and points into hide/move silent.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Iceborn » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:25 am

Gotta nerf those brains, yo.
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Cortex » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:25 am

Iceborn wrote:I have to ask, though...

Why the Listen?
A soft counter against stealth, since they've no way to detect stealth reliably without True Seeing, I figured they needed the help in that regard.

If you're asking "why not spot", it's due to how it'd interact with disguises, but that might not be the case anymore, and they may still get +10 spot and +10 listen.
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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Black Wendigo » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:44 am

I built a char based on kensai being hasted. Removing that and all movement speed bonus means my char is now unplayable. This was in his RP. It was in his combat style as well. And it wasn't a small thing.

I don't have a problem with changes, but I wish the devs would make up their minds what they want out of kensai and stick with it.

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Re: Kensai Update

Post by Tetra » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:59 am

I think rebuilds should be given for existing Kensai if they wish.. this is such a radical change.

Also what does "no more bonus speed" mean? Do monks lose class speed? Does haste not work? Or does this just mean you don't get a bonus for being kensai but you can still get barbarian fast movement and haste potions etc?

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