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Tranquility
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Re: The Ranger Megatopic

Post by Tranquility » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:08 pm

The ranger is absolutely fine presently, was even fine before the last update, though I do like it, free skills yum. If you're lacking ac, that means you aren't dex based and did not invest in expertise feats. If you're lacking archery it also means you opted for str over dex. Of course, uncanny dodge is a must for the dex based ranger, so usually will want a few lvls in rogue.

This is what it comes down to, dex rangers are more versatile, good ranged, good melee, and do plenty damage when they get BOE, (and the +2 ab from it stacks agaisnt fe, free epic weap focus really), furthermore they can get plenty ac. Pick your fe carefully and a dex based ranger becomes very scary. Epic traps, hips, good fort reflex saves, high ab progression, plenty class skills, discipline for one which no other sneak class gets.

The str ranger hits much harder yes and carries much more, but aint great hitting with his bow, sneaks less good, has less ac, worse reflex save, has a harder time settting epic traps.

I soloed the beholder caves on my ranger. that dex ac is so sweet vs ranged touch attacks. And shooting abberations (beholder) for 120 dam on a crit with a bow. well. Ranger is fine.

If anything I like blade thirst only working on slashing weapons cause it means if the dex based, which beats the str based ranger, wants a decent weapon, they need spend another feat on exotic weaps and katana. give it to them on rapiers, or arrow bundles seems dangerous.

I do not much like the idea of dynamic fe. A ranger studies a creature, it's way of life, it's habbits, it's environment, it's anatomy, everyhing, to better hunt and kill it where it lives. I rp'ed a lot of this stuff, It doesn't make sense to me my ranger would suddenly forget a favored enemy he'd specialised in killing for years, just cause he randomly cuts down a creature he normally does not hunt and gets fe on it.

There's plenty fe to be had with a 26 lvl ranger, even get epic bonus feats. 7-8 lets you cover 80-90% of everything you will meet on arelith if you put a little thought into your fe.

As for more lvl 3 spell slots. you can just enchant these on items. Or save your blade thirst for when it actually matters. 4 uses blade thirst for a lvl 26 ranger is still nearly two rl hours of red glowing weapon, or 1 hour of two red glowing weapons.

Rangers are great at the low lvls, then they loose some punch in mid levels, and then they get nigh crazy getting BOE and hips. If there should be made an effort to improve the ranger it should focus on the mid lvls. 10-21 is where it gets harder. For the dex based ranger at least, less dam. the str ranger does better there, but lacks the versatility of the dex ranger in epic lvls.

Ranger is fine.

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Re: The Ranger Megatopic

Post by StumpyParagon » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:09 am

I am in agreement tranquility.. Leveling mid levels was tough but made easier with a bow being a dex based ranger but even then everyone else did a lot more.

My little wild dwarf is a force of nature now though... some.. pun intended.. she is probably one of my most dangerous characters... she is on par with arcane archers. -the dr penetration

The animal companions though Hates the player tool. I can click on any mob in a fight and it will attack the oppersite getting itself killed because of it's suicidal tendencies.. An awesome sneak attack panther who wants to instead brawl with a bear than bite the well presented humans back. it's infuriatingly bad.

It also seems to take attack of opportunities while simply engaging in combat with a foe.

But yeah my versatility as a dex based ranger means i have ranged, melee and defence... it's pretty nice needed all rounder class. The jack of all trades master of none thing.

Weapon masters are better at melee than me.. but can they snipe those pesky mage mobs with a bow ?

Arcane archers can penetrate premonition.. okay but I can melee better than you have more ac then you and have a +5 masterly damask weapon.. to do that with hips.

I'm also a dex based ac fighter who out performs plate users.. I'm a great all rounder but weaker than the focused classes... rangers are great in there current state.

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Re: The Ranger Megatopic

Post by Tyrantos » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:57 am

Give the rangers a movement speed increase every 8 levels. 20 % at 8
30 % at 16, and 40 % at 24.
However only while wearing light armor. And not having picked up any melee weapons in the five rounds before moving.

That means that they would be able to run and gun, as they say. Making them more viable in both PvP and PvE.

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