Purple Dragon Knights and Paladins

[Cybernet21]

So i want to know your guys opinions(specially on pally players) on a multiclass of pally and purple dragon knight(recently added to arelith) would it be a good idea for CHA based paladins or STR based paladins?(or both?).

Just so i can see if i might be able to adapt my current STR pally build to get a few levels of purple dragon Knight(maybe change 5 CoT levels for 5 Knight levels for example)because it sounds interesting.

[One Two Three Five]

Only one of their abilities keys off of CHA, sooo.
Str based Paladin/Knight Valiant imo.

[susitsu]

The PDK build benefits from high intelligence.

[Cybernet21]

Only one of their abilities keys off of CHA, sooo.
Str based Paladin/Knight Valiant imo.

Wouldnt it be better vanguard or protector for STR based? Seeing as the valiant gets more use of the CHA ability.Or only protector since Vanguard also gets more uses of the intimidate(so indirectly CHA)ability

[Mithreas]

One of the paths does (Vanguard). The others don't get any particular benefit from it.

There are several options about how you use PDK. Most builds will be picking and maximising the benefit of one or two class features. It'll be rare to see PCs that make good use of all the abilities at once (indeed, the path setup is intended to nudge players towards specialising).

[One Two Three Five]

Only one of their abilities keys off of CHA, sooo.
Str based Paladin/Knight Valiant imo.

Wouldnt it be better vanguard or protector for STR based? Seeing as the valiant gets more use of the CHA ability.Or only protector since Vanguard also gets more uses of the intimidate(so indirectly CHA)ability

Knight Valiant Heroic Shield: Grants an ally a Discipline skill bonus equal to the Knight's class level, and gives them an attack bonus equal to the difference between their BAB and the Knight's. Knights Valiant also grant Haste to the shielded ally. Free action that lasts 1 hour, but applying it to a new target will remove the effects from your last target.

Hour long disc/AB/haste to an ally.

For vanguard, how's your int?

[Cortex]

Way I see it, you can do :

Knight Valiant with bard/paladin with Divine Might/Shield.

Knight Vanguard generic STR CON, but with support abilities.

Knight Protector PvE god also STR CON.

Shenanigans with Oath of Wrath involving wizard PDK dips.

[Cybernet21]

Only one of their abilities keys off of CHA, sooo.
Str based Paladin/Knight Valiant imo.

Wouldnt it be better vanguard or protector for STR based? Seeing as the valiant gets more use of the CHA ability.Or only protector since Vanguard also gets more uses of the intimidate(so indirectly CHA)ability

Knight Valiant Heroic Shield: Grants an ally a Discipline skill bonus equal to the Knight's class level, and gives them an attack bonus equal to the difference between their BAB and the Knight's. Knights Valiant also grant Haste to the shielded ally. Free action that lasts 1 hour, but applying it to a new target will remove the effects from your last target.

Hour long disc/AB/haste to an ally.

For vanguard, how's your int?

Oh i just noticed the INT ability(mine is a 14),my bad.It seems Vanguard isnt all that good for any paladin build(unless someone does a INT pally?) more for bards/rogues/wizard

And i dont feel like having that haste is better than changing with the other two protector abilities(for STR based paladins at least)

PS:I also dont think my current build is able to replace something with PDK(build depends a lot on bonus feats and PDK doesnt have any) but this is a good dicussion

[Mithreas]

PDK would have had bonus feats if the cls_(b)feat_* 2da files were read server side, but sadly they're not

My favourite PDK concept isn't paladin at all - Ranger/Knight Protector, panther companion, using Heroic Shield to buff your panther's AB and Rallying Cry to keep it able to sneak attack things. Though Ranger/Valiant with say a wolf or bear also works well, keeping the companion hasted.

On the paladin front PDK is more offering some neat synergy rather than anything truly mind-blowing.

[Cybernet21]

PDK would have had bonus feats if the cls_(b)feat_* 2da files were read server side, but sadly they're not

My favourite PDK concept isn't paladin at all - Ranger/Knight Protector, panther companion, using Heroic Shield to buff your panther's AB and Rallying Cry to keep it able to sneak attack things. Though Ranger/Valiant with say a wolf or bear also works well, keeping the companion hasted.

On the paladin front PDK is more offering some neat synergy rather than anything truly mind-blowing.

Huh,interesting concepts for any future character anyone wants to make.

And yeah i thought of the PDK not offering something mindblowing for paladins but it would at least help paladins a little right?That's why i started the thread,i appreciate your input XD

[Cybernet21]

Knight Protector PvE god also STR CON.

That just gave me an idea,a monk/prorector!




Please dont burn me

[One Two Three Five]

Barb/Protector, force that biteback.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

My question is if it's worth taking more than 5 levels of PDK? since it stacks so heavily with Lasting Inspiration, I'd want to run a bard 21/4 paladin/5 PDK. Or do you go 10 PDK instead?

Also are the prc class requirements the same as vanilla?

[Rabbid]

My question is if it's worth taking more than 5 levels of PDK? since it stacks so heavily with Lasting Inspiration, I'd want to run a bard 21/4 paladin/5 PDK. Or do you go 10 PDK instead?

Also are the prc class requirements the same as vanilla?

Prerequisites: 1 BAB, any alignment.

The answer is there!

[yellowcateyes]

My question is if it's worth taking more than 5 levels of PDK? since it stacks so heavily with Lasting Inspiration, I'd want to run a bard 21/4 paladin/5 PDK. Or do you go 10 PDK instead?

Also are the prc class requirements the same as vanilla?

Go a full 10 PDK levels if you're doing the Vanguard path and max-ing out your Intimidate skill for Fear.

If you're doing a Protector (and extending your Divine Shield / Imp. Expertise AC to your entire party is a pretty nifty option for a bard/paladin), then 5 PDK levels is fine.

If you go Valiant (the most underwhelming path, imo), then doing just 5 levels is fine.

That you're getting Lasting Inspiration generally alleviates the fact that you're getting 5 use/day from your primary path abilities rather than 10.

From the wiki, it looks like the only requirement is 1 BAB:
http://wiki.arelith.com/(Purple_Dragon) ... _Abilities

[Midnight In A Perfect World]

I'd wait a little longer with making your new PDK characters, all. As the way it works currently, it obviously is not going to stay.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

What's up with the really low class prerequisites? I haven't seen anything like that before, ever, in PnP or otherwise. I guess PDK at level 4 is okay?

Also, it's not considered the actual Purple Dragon Knight... Right? This is like a general "Knight" PrC, like CoT is really just a divine champion?

[Cortex]

The class doesn't warrant any special requirements, and it's just Knight, a Knight of anything, not even necessarily nobility.

For reference, you can take PM as early as lvl 4 as well.

[ArcanaFTW]

I'm confused, what do the last 5 levels of PDK do for you?

Also, is PDK useful for making an Eldritch Knight? Specifically, wizard-based.

[Cybernet21]

I'm confused, what do the last 5 levels of PDK do for you?

Also, is PDK useful for making an Eldritch Knight? Specifically, wizard-based.

Level 5 up is for Increasing some abilities uses per day(like fear for vanguard) and some abilities effects (like heroic shield's discipline bonus) EDIT:Using the examples:a level 5 vanguard would be able to use fear 5 times a day while a 10 well...10 times a day.Same with the discipline bonus

PS:Also for Eldritch Knights i think Vanguard would be the best one for that(since Vanguard is the one that most benefits from the INT focused ability)