The War Against Adamantine

[msterswrdsmn]

So is the main problem here that the very best equipment is extremely difficult to get, or is it that end game dungeons almost require it?

Its both, paradoxically, considering top-tier materials are in said epic dungeons. Hence the neverending downward spiral.

[HindianaJones]

In Arelith, first you get the addy...

[Septire]

I have lots of adamantine and am desperately trying to sell it for 60k (low end market price) and can barely find any buyers. Been running around Andunor screaming at people to buy my adamantine and everyone says they don't need it or have enough already.

Not experiencing sky-rocketing prices or hoarding in the slightest... Are we playing the same game?

[Trunx]

So is the main problem here that the very best equipment is extremely difficult to get, or is it that end game dungeons almost require it?

Its both, paradoxically, considering top-tier materials are in said epic dungeons. Hence the neverending downward spiral.

Adamantine is not required to complete end game dungeons. I know, I've done it. Solo. Without adamantine. And if you get a party, you can use -guard and dance around naked in the dungeons.

[FrozenSolid]

I saw one adamentium get lynched in an alleyway.

Adamentium lives matter!

Legit though, my only melee character never had anything above mithril and she did alright. She did have a masterly danask sword, the crits were sooo much better as a WM with that then greensteel

So I do not think full adamentium or even any adamentium gear is required save maybe for the weapon

My ranger got an Adamentium helmet for 40k and ive seen multiple sell for that.

Maybe price perception is affected by timezone? You may not be meeting adamentium sellers becsuse they are sll on at a different time?

[Freyason]

I have lots of adamantine and am desperately trying to sell it for 60k (low end market price) and can barely find any buyers. Been running around Andunor screaming at people to buy my adamantine and everyone says they don't need it or have enough already.

Not experiencing sky-rocketing prices or hoarding in the slightest... Are we playing the same game?

Must have not ran into my character or you'd be having a shortage real fast

[Durvayas]

Or mine, for that matter.

[msterswrdsmn]

Adamantine is not required to complete end game dungeons. I know, I've done it. Solo. Without adamantine. And if you get a party, you can use -guard and dance around naked in the dungeons.

Adamantine armor? Your right.

Now that adamantine is required for m. damask weapons? Not so sure, now. I can't imagine trying some of those areas without m. damask weapons, short of playing a GMW character.

[Lorkas]

Every UMD character can be a GMW character, fwiw. Those scrolls only cost like 375-500 gp each and last 90 minutes.

That is to say, a M.Damask weapon can cost 200-267 GMW scrolls as current prices for each.

[JediMindTrix]

And if you wanted to roll another pure Fighter, you'd be borked Lorkas.

[Trunx]

Adamantine is not required to complete end game dungeons. I know, I've done it. Solo. Without adamantine. And if you get a party, you can use -guard and dance around naked in the dungeons.

Adamantine armor? Your right.

Now that adamantine is required for m. damask weapons? Not so sure, now. I can't imagine trying some of those areas without m. damask weapons, short of playing a GMW character.

You can do just fine with greensteel. The DPS difference isn't that huge.

[Cerk Evermoore]

Caster classes really do not have that many problems farming the stuff. Sucks you can't solo farm it as a melee, but that's just the life of a lot of classes.

I guess it mostly hurts folks who are attemping to create a keen m.damask weapon but I mean. Pay the toll if you want bis weapon.

[condotierri]

I find this thread funny. Adamantine is perfectly fine the way it is. It is top tier, and thus should be hard to get and expensive. Want to know a solution to the problem? Magic Vestment.

Yes, that's right. A scroll of that bad boy will net you +3 to your armor and/or shield. BAM! Adamantine equivalent. Want to know another secret...there is a cagey-cage and after a while a nice gnoll gives buffs wait for it...Magic Vestment for +5 on your armor.

So what it really comes down to is people crying about +1 AC on their helm because it's mithril and can't be used with magic vestment. I mean really *summon smallest violin*

Threads like this make me understand why MMO have become easy sauce these days, then after the devs cave these same people turn around and complain how everything is so easy afterwards.

[gilescorey]

Magic Vestment scrolls have a CL of 5. Have you ever actually seen, let alone used one of these scrolls? I don't see how you think this "solution" would actually work, if so.

Further, MV works on unenhanced armour and shields, so I don't know what you're going on about Mithril helms and the spell being incompatible.

Perhaps this is just an elaborate troll post, and I've been terribly rused - wouldn't that be funny?

[Cortex]

The cage buff award is something "exclusive" to Underdark, I would expect majority of surfacers not to go the shady gnoll in the slums of an Underdark city full of monsters and murderers to ask for a buff.

[Lorkas]

Yea, MV scrolls on armor give +1 Armor AC that doesn't stack with any other source of Armor AC, like steel armor (or better) or even just Mage Armor.

[IIllII]

Buy my adamantine. You need your gear, adventurer! *Rubs hands.*

[condotierri]

Magic Vestment scrolls have a CL of 5. Have you ever actually seen, let alone used one of these scrolls? I don't see how you think this "solution" would actually work, if so.

Yes, I know the scroll is CL 5, but they give me +3 to armor and shield. I don't know why, but they do.

[Durvayas]

Am I alone in feeling that heavier reliance on UMD is a piss poor compensator for this issue? Isn't lowering the mandatory nature of UMD half the reason so many mundane and magic items and potions were added to the module? I can't help but feel this is a step backwards.

[Scurvy Cur]

I find this thread funny. Adamantine is perfectly fine the way it is. It is top tier, and thus should be hard to get and expensive. Want to know a solution to the problem? Magic Vestment.

Yes, that's right. A scroll of that bad boy will net you +3 to your armor and/or shield. BAM! Adamantine equivalent. Want to know another secret...there is a cagey-cage and after a while a nice gnoll gives buffs wait for it...Magic Vestment for +5 on your armor.

So what it really comes down to is people crying about +1 AC on their helm because it's mithril and can't be used with magic vestment. I mean really *summon smallest violin*

Threads like this make me understand why MMO have become easy sauce these days, then after the devs cave these same people turn around and complain how everything is so easy afterwards.

I'm relatively sure you win this thread's prize for simultaneous factual inaccuracy and snarky condescension.

Bravo.

Am I alone in feeling that heavier reliance on UMD is a piss poor compensator for this issue? Isn't lowering the mandatory nature of UMD half the reason so many mundane and magic items and potions were added to the module? I can't help but feel this is a step backwards.

No, this has puzzled me a little as well. We've heard several times that the intent is to make UMD less mandatory and more a nice-to have, and then seen it become more pressingly needed.

[rat0a]

+3 AC does make the difference.

Ask that to the 2 Paladins I'm running currently..

Granted I do get DS but I can't cast it forever

[Diegovog]

I find this thread funny. Adamantine is perfectly fine the way it is. It is top tier, and thus should be hard to get and expensive. Want to know a solution to the problem? Magic Vestment.

Yes, that's right. A scroll of that bad boy will net you +3 to your armor and/or shield. BAM! Adamantine equivalent. Want to know another secret...there is a cagey-cage and after a while a nice gnoll gives buffs wait for it...Magic Vestment for +5 on your armor.

So what it really comes down to is people crying about +1 AC on their helm because it's mithril and can't be used with magic vestment. I mean really *summon smallest violin*

Threads like this make me understand why MMO have become easy sauce these days, then after the devs cave these same people turn around and complain how everything is so easy afterwards.

Wow... There is just so much wrong with this post. One is clearly the tone and the choice of words, saying we are "crying about +1AC" when you completely ignore the explanation why +3ac is a big deal mechanically.
Another thing that really bothered me is how you compare Arelith to MMO and how "easy sauce" they are these days and that everyone in turn start to complain about how easy they are afterwards. I mean, are you serious? Do you understand that 90% of us here don't want to grind? We only do it as a necessity and we would rather be rping instead of focusing on your oldschool MMO style of grind?
Finally you come to discuss a mechanic of the game with what you claim to be a "bag boy scroll solution" "BAM" easy problem solved! Woooow *add some leet effects here*. Well, just that it absolutely doesn't work like you claim to...

[milosr]

Im terribly suspicious that the fellow is just trolling us good folks.
Don't feed the troll, his goal was to clearly turn the thread from a semi-productive discussion, into a deranged manure flinging free-for-all.

[StrykerMontgomery]

Yeah, people do underestimate the difference +3 AC from addy plate/shield/helmet actually makes when you're up at the high levels of AC. By the time you're at those epic dungeons, and if your character is built well, those extra +3 are likely the difference between mobs needing a 20 to hit you, or less.

That said, I like the notion of Adamantite being rare, really rare. As long as the epic dungeons are re-balanced around the next tier down of armor instead.

Re-balancing for lower tiers would also allow less optimal builds and, or non-try hards to be able to do stuff. I have yet to even have en epic character since I played arelith like over 10 year ago but things have been vamped so much im pretty sure most my fun builds have gone to viable to "this is going to take a serious nose dive in epic lvls".

[JediMindTrix]

manure flinging free-for-all.

It's being flung at the source, tbf