If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

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If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by LoneTraveler » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:23 am

Hello if you character gets enslaved.

But already has citizenship in a surface settlement. Settlement storage and a Shop or quarter on the surface. What happens?

Also if the shop or quarter is not part of a settlement (say for example in the woods or Sibayad) what happens then?

Thanks!

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Miskol » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:12 am

Nothing happens to your shop or quarter, but you would probably be expected to sell/release them. Slaves are not supposed to really hold any property except for designated slave quarters, and the leadership of some settlements may take issue with a slave owning property in their jurisdiction anyways. As for shops and quarters in neutral areas, you may not have the issue of getting it revoked by a player, but I remember a DM once making the ruling that slaves should still not be owning property (unless its the designated slave quarters). If that ruling is still upheld, then you would be expected to put it for sale/release it.

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by The GrumpyCat » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:14 pm

Hello!

Miskol is entirely right, except reguarding shops. At present I don't believe there is any ruling saying slaves cannot own shops. Just certain quarters.

Slaves may only own slave quarters, or else perhaps rooms in guildhouses that belong to their owner (or at least have their owner as a serious member.)

This of course may change in the future, but that's how it is now.

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Blood on my Lips » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:57 am

"Those with Slave Collars cannot own property, except a few designated places for slaves as indicated IG. "

http://wiki.arelith.com/Slavery

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Rooshi49 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:11 am

Slaves can own shops :o?!?!?!?

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by The Rambling Midget » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:30 am

Rooshi49 wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:11 am
Slaves can own shops :o?!?!?!?
Sometimes that's their job. Run shop for master.
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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Rooshi49 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:37 am

I already do that on my slave toon, but I didn't know you could be the one who mechanically owns it

EDIT: Could it be possible to get multiple rulings from other DMs to back this claim up? I'm totally hyped that slaves can potentially own a shop, but I don't want to finally get a decent shop owned by a slave toon and then have to give it up because another DM was like nah, DM Grumpycat is wrong.

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Miskol » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:37 am

Given how senior Grumpycat is amongst the current group of active DMs, I doubt it?

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by JubJub » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:02 pm

Blood on my Lips wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:57 am
"Those with Slave Collars cannot own property, except a few designated places for slaves as indicated IG. "

http://wiki.arelith.com/Slavery
Going by that seems like a slave can't own shops in the UD. If they can that really needs to be changed, if they can I will be a bit annoyed as I had to pass up a nice shop since it stated can't own property.

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by naturaly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:25 pm

Wiki fixed, sorry for frustration.

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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by The GrumpyCat » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:56 pm

Rooshi49 wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:37 am
I already do that on my slave toon, but I didn't know you could be the one who mechanically owns it

EDIT: Could it be possible to get multiple rulings from other DMs to back this claim up? I'm totally hyped that slaves can potentially own a shop, but I don't want to finally get a decent shop owned by a slave toon and then have to give it up because another DM was like nah, DM Grumpycat is wrong.
Haya

I can really see why you think this, and in fact before immedatly jumping in and replying, I did double check with the other DMs on this, to make sure I was correct. But the consensus is yes, slaves can own shops.

I'm not saying that decision won't change in future... but I don't think it's very likely. And certainly that is the state of affairs at present.

Thank you to Naturally for fixing the Wiki!
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Re: If enslaved what happens to your citizenstorage, shop and/or quarter

Post by Cerk Evermoore » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:43 pm

I feel like slaves owning shops is a step in the right direction. Slaves should be used for economics!

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