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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Astegard » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:14 am

Kreydis wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:39 am
My last point being moot if you can apply the templates to axes and such. But I don't think that you can, because they're a 'bundle' use property.
Throwing axes etc also come in bundles now, and those bundles have 10 charges ( so 10x 50 throwing axes vs the 5x 99 of arrows/bolts)

About the crit, I was wondering didn't greensteel used to be keen for throwing weapons? So instead of keen i now get 1d6 bonus crit damage from greensteel.
I'm assuming most of the templates are based on arrows/bolts so applying a keen spell to a template will also only give the 1d6 bonus crit to throwing weapons.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:34 am
You need 15 barbarian levels, 25 STR and 21 level minimum(not necessarily all barb). Getting 25 STR/DEX will also murder your CON.
As Cortex said my dex is low chose to get 18 con to get the barbarian bonuses, 25 str and rest in dex. (Ogre btw so started with 22str 14 dex 18 con). Final levels will be 25 barb 5 fighter.

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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Cortex » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:37 am

Keen doesn't exist as a property for any ranged weapon.

Unless you take great DEX, your final DEX is 18. Meaning your AB will be...

25 BAB
10 DEX
3 WF/EWF
3 Damask
1 if you fit Prowess
2 rage
-1 size(ogre)

That's 43 AB(41 with rapid shot), which is pretty abysmal for a DPS centric build. Even with increased APR, it's 41/36/31/26/41/36/31 attacks.

As for damage...

13 STR(being very generous here with max STR)
3 Damask
6 EWF
Approx. 14 damage from template on average.
9 rage

So it's approximately 45 damage in a mix of physical and template damage, which is nothing not write home about.
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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Astegard » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:58 am

Cortex wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:37 am
As for damage...

13 STR(being very generous here with max STR)
3 Damask
6 EWF
Approx. 14 damage from template on average.
9 rage
+ 14 from barbarian

http://wiki.arelith.com/Barbarian
lvl 24 barb 9 Weapon Damage during rage
Passive bonus damage 5

But yeah basically testing the limits of throwing axes with this build. The melee AB is still very good so just switching between both right now.

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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Astegard » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:59 pm

Cortex wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:37 am

As for damage...

13 STR(being very generous here with max STR)
3 Damask
6 EWF
Approx. 14 damage from template on average.
9 rage

So it's approximately 45 damage in a mix of physical and template damage, which is nothing not write home about.
So total would be 50 damage +-

I dont have enough experience with archer to know what damage they can achieve.
Quick calc on my side:

4 from mighty bow (think this is highest, could be 6)
3 damask arrow
6 EWF
Approx. 14 damage from template on average.
10 enchant arrow (assuming Arcane archer)

Is 37 damage where the physical component goes through all DR. (and ofc they will be hitting all of them with +- 50AB)

Only other factors i can think of common in archer builds are divine might and favored enemy.

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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Jagel » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:04 pm

BOws have x3 crit multiplier and crossbow have 19-20 crit range which should also be factored into the calculation.

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Re: 3 extra attacks per round, does it stack? (likeley DM test required)

Post by Kenji » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:27 pm

So I put the 41 AB on my spreadsheets for the luls

Considering average monster AC to be about 30 (58 for fully buffed WM), or any PC that doesn't invest into AC, the build performs slightly better than dedicated archers with bows vs low AC opponents. But thanks to such low ab, it's still pretty bad for a lvl30 build for anything higher than 40AC.
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