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Battlecleric dispellability

Post by DeflectiveQuestion » Mon May 28, 2018 10:18 pm

Why are they dispel bait? You only lose 6 CL for dispelling, so why are they so easy to debuff?

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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Wytchee » Mon May 28, 2018 10:26 pm

I'd answer, but I get the feeling you're only deflecting.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Dr. B » Mon May 28, 2018 10:32 pm

Because 23 caster levels is not a lot. A level 30 mundane, by contrast, has a CL of 30 for the purposes of dispelling the effects of potions it uses, while most caster-heavy builds have a CL of 26 or 27. Also, because many of their spells can be breached (which requires no dispel check), and they are highly dependent on those spells to stay alive.

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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Baron Saturday » Mon May 28, 2018 10:40 pm

To add some numbers to Dr. B's post: Greater Dispelling and Mord's Disjunction have had their level cap raised to 22, so even a character with no Abjuration foci has a 40% chance to dispel a battlecleric. A character with ESF Abjuration has a 60% chance.

Compare that to a standard wizard, 26/4, which has a 25/45% chance of being dispelled, or even 15/35% if the wizard took Abjuration Defense (which it can do more easily than the feat-starved battlecleric). A mundane character, ironically, fares even better, with only a 5/25% chance of being dispelled.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by flower » Mon May 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Imho it should be better to go cleric with high Wis and least 18 strenght (getting +10 mod from gear and ability in the end).

You would lack epic weapon spec. but your spells get higher DC (38 on implosion and SoV).

Splitting it like 26/4 or 27/3 bard.

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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Morderon » Tue May 29, 2018 12:31 am

Baron Saturday wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 10:40 pm
To add some numbers to Dr. B's post: Greater Dispelling and Mord's Disjunction have had their level cap raised to 22, so even a character with no Abjuration foci has a 40% chance to dispel a battlecleric. A character with ESF Abjuration has a 60% chance.

Compare that to a standard wizard, 26/4, which has a 25/45% chance of being dispelled, or even 15/35% if the wizard took Abjuration Defense (which it can do more easily than the feat-starved battlecleric). A mundane character, ironically, fares even better, with only a 5/25% chance of being dispelled.
It's likely 5% higher now that beamdog fixed it.

In 1.69 base resist DC was 11 + caster level with ties going to the resistor; in effect making the DC 12 + caster level.

In EE it should be 11 + caster level with ties going to the dispeller. So a level 22 caster has to roll a 19 to dispel a potion off of a level 30.

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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Baron Saturday » Tue May 29, 2018 12:43 am

I was just basing my numbers off of the NWN wiki, which says the DC is 12 + CL, ties going to the dispeller.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Hunter548 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:07 pm

NWN wiki hasn't been updated for EE. EE changed dispel roll ties to go to the dispeller, bringing it in line with other checks.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by JediMindTrix » Tue May 29, 2018 3:47 pm

Morderon wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:31 am
It's likely 5% higher now that beamdog fixed it.

In 1.69 base resist DC was 11 + caster level with ties going to the resistor; in effect making the DC 12 + caster level.

In EE it should be 11 + caster level with ties going to the dispeller. So a level 22 caster has to roll a 19 to dispel a potion off of a level 30.
So it's slightly harder to dispel?

I'm pretty sure it'll behave the same. That behavior was handled by a script which has been replaced by arelith, and arelith's will take precedence over the base game.

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Re: Battlecleric dispellability

Post by Morderon » Tue May 29, 2018 4:28 pm

It's easier to dispel in EE then it was in 1.69.

And while Arelith uses a modified dispel script we still ultimately use biowares/beamdog's dispel function.

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