Battlecleric dispellability
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Battlecleric dispellability
Why are they dispel bait? You only lose 6 CL for dispelling, so why are they so easy to debuff?
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I'd answer, but I get the feeling you're only deflecting.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability
Because 23 caster levels is not a lot. A level 30 mundane, by contrast, has a CL of 30 for the purposes of dispelling the effects of potions it uses, while most caster-heavy builds have a CL of 26 or 27. Also, because many of their spells can be breached (which requires no dispel check), and they are highly dependent on those spells to stay alive.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability
To add some numbers to Dr. B's post: Greater Dispelling and Mord's Disjunction have had their level cap raised to 22, so even a character with no Abjuration foci has a 40% chance to dispel a battlecleric. A character with ESF Abjuration has a 60% chance.
Compare that to a standard wizard, 26/4, which has a 25/45% chance of being dispelled, or even 15/35% if the wizard took Abjuration Defense (which it can do more easily than the feat-starved battlecleric). A mundane character, ironically, fares even better, with only a 5/25% chance of being dispelled.
Compare that to a standard wizard, 26/4, which has a 25/45% chance of being dispelled, or even 15/35% if the wizard took Abjuration Defense (which it can do more easily than the feat-starved battlecleric). A mundane character, ironically, fares even better, with only a 5/25% chance of being dispelled.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability
Imho it should be better to go cleric with high Wis and least 18 strenght (getting +10 mod from gear and ability in the end).
You would lack epic weapon spec. but your spells get higher DC (38 on implosion and SoV).
Splitting it like 26/4 or 27/3 bard.
You would lack epic weapon spec. but your spells get higher DC (38 on implosion and SoV).
Splitting it like 26/4 or 27/3 bard.
Re: Battlecleric dispellability
It's likely 5% higher now that beamdog fixed it.Baron Saturday wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 10:40 pmTo add some numbers to Dr. B's post: Greater Dispelling and Mord's Disjunction have had their level cap raised to 22, so even a character with no Abjuration foci has a 40% chance to dispel a battlecleric. A character with ESF Abjuration has a 60% chance.
Compare that to a standard wizard, 26/4, which has a 25/45% chance of being dispelled, or even 15/35% if the wizard took Abjuration Defense (which it can do more easily than the feat-starved battlecleric). A mundane character, ironically, fares even better, with only a 5/25% chance of being dispelled.
In 1.69 base resist DC was 11 + caster level with ties going to the resistor; in effect making the DC 12 + caster level.
In EE it should be 11 + caster level with ties going to the dispeller. So a level 22 caster has to roll a 19 to dispel a potion off of a level 30.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability
I was just basing my numbers off of the NWN wiki, which says the DC is 12 + CL, ties going to the dispeller.
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NWN wiki hasn't been updated for EE. EE changed dispel roll ties to go to the dispeller, bringing it in line with other checks.
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Re: Battlecleric dispellability
So it's slightly harder to dispel?Morderon wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 12:31 amIt's likely 5% higher now that beamdog fixed it.
In 1.69 base resist DC was 11 + caster level with ties going to the resistor; in effect making the DC 12 + caster level.
In EE it should be 11 + caster level with ties going to the dispeller. So a level 22 caster has to roll a 19 to dispel a potion off of a level 30.
I'm pretty sure it'll behave the same. That behavior was handled by a script which has been replaced by arelith, and arelith's will take precedence over the base game.
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It's easier to dispel in EE then it was in 1.69.
And while Arelith uses a modified dispel script we still ultimately use biowares/beamdog's dispel function.
And while Arelith uses a modified dispel script we still ultimately use biowares/beamdog's dispel function.