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Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by I_Am_King_Midas » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:04 pm

What are some it was we could have for rewards that are not just in Andunor. At present all of the race options are only available to UD players. What other ideas do you all have for races, classes, or other rewards?
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Tourmaline » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:54 pm

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by flower » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:17 pm

Tourmaline wrote:Instead of more races I could see more background options for all characters. So everyone could have options to tweak their abilities further like the drow and ogre special gifts or planetouched bloodlines.

The drow and ogres do not tweak their abilities. They just shift them. While most races without ECL can add up to +4 abilities on top. wherever they want to, ogres and drow are preset.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by flower » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:56 pm

Tourmaline wrote:You're really arguing over "tweaking" vs "shifting?" It's the same idea.

Anyway the point is instead of going obscure with subraces it would be nice if normal or greater could go "pirate" or "wizard" background to shift or customize or whatever further. It would also make tieflings less appealing since much of the draw is for the bloodlines.

But it is a huge difference is it not? If you make elf, you can already customize it as you wish. You can add strenght, dex....same with human.

If you make drow, you get pre set charisma and inteligence. The -tweak- you speak of allows you only to shift charisma for constitution or dexterity for wisdom. And it EATS your minor gift slot.
In several cases this is much inferior to then adding flat +2 ability per gift. You cannot start with strenght 20 on drow. Same goes for ogre. And on top of that you can still select minor gift (+6 sklil, or other, or more rp gifts like selecting other deity than racial /language learning...why the hell are these even among gifts and not background???).

Your tweak for surface races is already freedom to allocate gifts where you want. Is there actually even surface race with higher ECL?

Btu there should be more options for surface awards, more surface accepted races and stuff. But not further way to icnrease abilities (or shift them).

Edit: I would forget. With elf / human you may lower your starting ability, to lets say 16 (strenght). This saves you 6 points in buying abilities allowing for awsome flexibility. Then you make up for it with gift. Ogre neither drow can do the same. You set that ability to 16 and it stays there.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Tourmaline » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:23 pm

Ok, bad idea then, sorry and please forget I suggested it. I was mostly thinking of it as an alternative to planetouched and never should have mentioned drow. But move on please.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Cortex » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:58 pm

If you want new ones, what would you recommend?
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Nitro » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:04 pm

Move fey to an award.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by PinataPlethora » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:08 pm

Nitro wrote:Move fey to an award.
I'm torn about that. On the one hand, it would mean less total Fey, but on the other hand, it would mean more gag characters sticking around past their expiration date, because of the cost. It's true we see a lot of Fey played as jokes, but they typically don't last very long. The rapid decline of novelty and the difficulty of finding RP which is both appropriate and enjoyable keep their numbers well in check.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by flower » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:22 pm

Tourmaline wrote:Ok, bad idea then, sorry and please forget I suggested it. I was mostly thinking of it as an alternative to planetouched and never should have mentioned drow. But move on please.

Just add awards to increase abilities IS a bad suggestion.

Planetouched get their abilities as their racial not to be super toned up (and are vulnerable to numerous spells).

More surface races...yes...sea elves, avariels, and so on. But not to just add a thing with stats up.... :o

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by susitsu » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:40 pm

drow SR is legitimately disgusting and cuts out so many pvp tactics for mudanes

lets not talk about them like they don't get it good, flower.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Baron Saturday » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:47 pm

Back to the topic at hand!

It's a bit tricky adding races to the surface that could reasonably start in Cordor without immediately getting the boot. If Sencliff were expanded enough to be able to support a low-level population, I could see some of the sketchier races being added, but as-is?

I think that goliaths, shadar-kai, shifters and changelings might be able to fit into the existing infrastructure as reward races.
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by flower » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:39 pm

susitsu wrote:drow SR is legitimately disgusting and cuts out so many pvp tactics for mudanes

lets not talk about them like they don't get it good, flower.

A single disjunction will break it enough even for mundane (and even mundane items have disjunction, my kensai is in possesion of it).

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Baron Saturday » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:45 pm

flower wrote:
susitsu wrote:drow SR is legitimately disgusting and cuts out so many pvp tactics for mudanes

lets not talk about them like they don't get it good, flower.

A single disjunction will break it enough even for mundane (and even mundane items have disjunction, my kensai is in possesion of it).
Go talk about this somewhere else, please.
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by TimeAdept » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:17 am

Other races off the top of my head that could be interesting and relatively surface friendly-ish

Phoelarch - feathered (no wings) desert-bound generally good aligned creatures mythically said to be related to phoenixes - DMs would need to enforce bright red/orange skin tho which is a degree of micromanagement. Homeland in Sibayad, Amn, Calimshan, deserts.

Aquatic Elves - Lots of water and island places.

Avariel - I GUESS, should be a Greater at the least, imo a 5%.

Thorn - a Halfling sized faerie style thing, again, DM enforced green/nature colored skins

Shifter - said to be descended from Lycanthropes, furred/maned/clawed sorts of things, not really gnolls, just "furred people", human sized

Goliaths are a good call out above, too.

Shadar Kai are probably not welcome in any surface settlement, being Shadow-Plane evil Fey. Definitely neat, but Andunoran.

Other Andunoran monster options could include Bugbears and full Orcs, along with Derro, or Blues, which are magically/psionically inclined goblinoids.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Cortex » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:18 am

no god damn furries
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Baron Saturday » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:30 am

Cortex wrote:no god damn furries
... Fair point. I really don't want cat-women rubbing all over everything.
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:38 am

In borrowing another servers racial list for suggestions, I propose the following races!

http://cormyrdalelands.boards.net/threa ... -templates

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Cortex » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:43 am

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:45 am

hmm, one sec

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:45 am

Aasimar
Axani
Aranea
Aquatic Elf
Avariel
Cansin
Deep Imaskari
Draconic
Dragonborn
Drow
Duergar
Feytouched
Genasi
Air Genasi
Dust Genasi
Earth Genasi
Fire Genasi
Ice Genasi
Magma Genasi
Smoke Genasi
Steam Genasi
Ooze Genasi
Water Genasi
Gloamling
Ghostwise Halfling
Half-Celestial
Half-Dragon
Half-Efreet
Half-Fey
Half-Nymph
Half-Joystealer
Half-Fiend
Cambion (Half-Balor)
Alu-fiend
Half-Giant
Half-Vampire
Hellbred
Illumian
Karsite
Killoren
Leanan Sidhe
Lycanthropes
Werewolf
Werecat
Werebear
Wererat
Mephit, Air
Rakshasa
Shadar-kai
Shadowswyft
Spellscale
Star Elf
Svirfneblin (Deep Gnome)
Tanarukk
Tibbit
Tiefling
Succubus bloodline
Yuan-ti Pureblood

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Baron Saturday » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:17 am

Of those, I would MAYBE support:

Aranea
Aquatic Elf
Illumian
Killoren
Shadar-kai
Star Elf
Yuan-ti Pureblood

... and honestly, I don't know about the elves. We've already got a lot of elf subraces. A lot of the others we already have, or they existed at one point and were removed, or they're more UD-focused (and we already have lots of UD normal/greater award races), or they would need to be in the Major category). Half-anything is just begging for a freakish menagerie to be running around, and it's been indicated in the past that natural-born were-creatures aren't gonna happen.
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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:25 am

Eh, I just copied the list, theres some really good ones in there.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Miaou » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:29 am

Most of those are already in Arelith, or is possible with a 5% and have been played on the server already.

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Re: Normal and greater rewards for those outside of Andunor

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:32 am

Yep, just offered the list.

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