Playing a monster race wrong, delete character?

[BegoneThoth]

http://wiki.arelith.com/Playing_any_UD_race

Goblins, Kobolds, Drow, Orogs, etc, are considered a "Monster Race". Part of the RP of being allowed (note the very careful phrasing) to continue to play a monster race is rping as if you are a monster, an unwelcome member in traditional surface society. If you can't do that, there's absolutely no rule that says I can't delete your character for bastardizing the role play of the entire server. In fact, ask around, I will do it without hesitation or remorse if I feel as if in any way your rp is corrupting the vision of RP for the server.

Bottom line is, it's ok to agree to disagree on the principle, just so there is an understanding that if/when we catch it, the consequences will be severe. Up to and including permanent removal of the character and/or player permanently, in extreme or repetitive instances"

It's followed by

"We've never outright deleted characters. We're not heartless, we're human and understanding."

-DM Titania

If it's not true, and you won't just get your character deleted for "corrupting the vision" of the server, can we get the wiki updated to reflect the info and remove the bit about deleting characters?

I would to it myself but am afraid to delete DM quotes and whatnot and don't actually know the policy here going off the wiki, im just pretty sure it's not character deletion, but still don't want to mess with a former owner's quote.

[Black Wendigo]

Actually it should stay as a warning as to how serious the team takes playing a monster race. Just because they have never done it doesn't mean that they won't ever do so. It's there as a maximum option, not a rule of thumb.

[caldura firebourne]

well I assume a DM would warn the player of behavior that would result in deletion, and most players "I hope" are smart enough to realize they should not continue that behavior, and therefore don't need a deletion

[The GrumpyCat]

1) they have to go quite far off the rails before we start to telling them that 'you're 'Doing it Wrong.' It's not a case of: 'ah in page 293 paragraph 2 subsection b it says that Drow can't have -long- sleeved tunics! So please delete your character!' It's more a case of, 'Why is your drow sunbathing in Cordor?'

2) We will give LOTS of warnings before taking this action. And 99% of players will generally Get The Message. Forceful deletion does occur, but it is extremely rare. I've been a DM for about three or four years now, and in all that time only once or twice have we ever forcefully deleted a character. So yeah - what the guys above me said really.

[BegoneThoth]

Interesting. Good to know.

So Titania is wrong then? Should the page be updated?

[The GrumpyCat]

She said we will 'never outright delete characters.'

And that's true.

It's highly unlikely we will go up to you and say, 'Your character is wrong, delete it.'

We might, after a long period of conversations, warnings, and other mechanical options - force someone to delete their character sure. But It'll never be, 'Outright.' It'll come after a significant period of warning.

[Queen Titania]

I will probably remove the first paragraph though as it does come off a bit harsh and add Grumpy's wording here, as it fits the accuracy of what we are trying to say about at what point we delete characters. It has never happened without -lots- of warnings. The latest case was about four warnings about the -same- issues that were being ignored, over a period of months, as a reference.

[BegoneThoth]

Sounds good to me.

Sorry if I came off as rude/disrespectful but the two paragraphs on the wiki seemed really contradictory and I wanted some clarification.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

I believe the original statement refers to asking around about character witnesses to say he would do it (and not feel bad about it) if he felt it best for the server's environment.

I'm personally okay with that notion, but YMMV. Not everyone can trust other people (especially on the internet) not to take advantage of that, and that's not unreasonable, I suppose.

[MalKalz]

The first paragraph that is above was taken from Irongron’s post on monsterous races and settlement interactions, where he quoted Jjjerm’s stance.

[Leshpar]

I think it would be a good thing to talk about what people have done wrong in the past specifically that led to deletion. Don't mention names or anything, but what exactly did people do so terribly wrong that it led to deletion?

[Black Wendigo]

I would like to avoid talking about what people have done wrong because that can easily end up being "you are playing wrong".

Each race has a short general description as to what Arelith expects from players. I think that is suffice. Let the DMS worry about what is or is not wrong on a case by case basis. From the above comments it is clear that they will work with you if you are willing to change your concept. When in doubt run a concept acros a DM.

[The GrumpyCat]

I think it would be a good thing to talk about what people have done wrong in the past specifically that led to deletion.

With all due respect, I don't think that's neccesarly relevent.

Forced character deletion can happy for many reasons- even if it very rarely does. But in 99% of sitatuions there will be multiple warnings before hand.

Really the main thing that people did wrong in the past that lead to deletion was not listening to the DMS.

If we have a huge problem with the roleplay of your character, (and again, it's actually not very often we do have a problem with peoples roleplay to this extent. It's very rare in fact) then we'll take you aside and talk to you way, way, WAY before we even consider a forced -delete.

[RedGiant]

I testify to a looooong time ago being the 1% who was NOT warned and subject to a monster race PC deletion as punishment. That being said, I appealed to the Admins almost immediately, who gave redress to the situation, restored the character, and talked with me at length about the server intent in regard to monster races. Then they publically clarified and reinforced the policy.

All in all from the player perspective, the staff handled everything 100% professionally, even the original DM who said, "hey, if you don't like the answer, take it to the admins." Arelith has a chain of command. Even in the extremely rare event something should go sideways, you may always appeal to Caesar!

[Black Wendigo]

Futher, therr is no need to get paranoid about your RP. If you play with good intent it will show and be handled professionaly. THe DMs seem to be really trying to respect our RP and us as people, so even if there is aproblem, it does not mean it has to be all doom and drama. (Cause it won't be)