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How does forcing doors work?

Post by Old Kentucky Shark » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:04 am

Does anyone know how this system works? The wiki says it uses only the STR stat against the lock strength. Does this mean that a 38-ish lock strength makes a door impossible to force?

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Hunter548 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:07 am

Strength +d20 vs door strength.
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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Old Kentucky Shark » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:09 am

Thanks for the quick reply! I assume that its STR modifier, not strength score?

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Hunter548 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:34 am

Strength score as far as I know, actually.
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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Sab1 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:41 pm

So basicly if someone has a dc 100 str door, good luck getting that to budge.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by PinataPlethora » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:25 pm

I think door STR caps at 60.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Nitro » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Wait, if that's the case, wouldn't that mean that it's actually easier to make a raw STR door-bursting character than it is to make a lockpicker who can open PC doors? Since you can hit 40+ STR with a +2 STR race, gift, all investments into STR and +12 from gear/buffs. Even more if you buy extra STR with epic feats.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by PinataPlethora » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:02 pm

It might, if I have the DC right, but by the time most characters reach that level of STR, they're at a Dr. Manhattan level of not caring about chest looting anymore.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Sab1 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:08 pm

And depending where the door is, if you're kicking the door to pieces that might attract some notice. Lockpicking is about sneakily getting in and out with no one really noticing, Bashing is when secrecy is not an issue.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by JediMindTrix » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:08 pm

How do traps work?

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by PinataPlethora » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:11 pm

If you try to pick the lock or bash the door, it goes off. You'll see the option to disarm it, if you have enough Search.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by JediMindTrix » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:30 pm

PinataPlethora wrote:If you try to pick the lock
you sure about this?

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by PinataPlethora » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:34 pm

Not as sure as you want me to be, but it's the best conclusion I can draw from my experience. It's also possible the mechanics have changed since the last time I played a Rogue.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by flower » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:10 pm

Some doors do not have traps.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Iceborn » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:13 pm

JediMindTrix wrote:
PinataPlethora wrote:If you try to pick the lock
you sure about this?
Remember Kai?
He died like 3 times trying to lockpick doors.
The traps are usually at DC 127 and deal about 250~ damage maxed.
For a rogue with 8 of con, that was not healthy.
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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Sab1 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:22 pm

I thought traps worked same on doors as if they were on chest. If you try to open it, kaboom. to you are saying door traps go off if try pick locks?

Was kai a kobold? I remember watching a poor kobold going up in smoke a couple of times while trying the abyssal fortress a few years ago.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by PinataPlethora » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:55 pm

Lockpicking through the door dialog. If you try to lockpick it with the radial menu command, it should just say a specific key is required. Quarter doors have their own special system.

Quarter traps are extremely expensive, though, and if they're disarmed, you have to repurchase them, so they're not that common outside of guildhalls and nefarious lairs. It's entirely possible to never run into one while burgling.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Dorkas » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:45 pm

I can confirm that some door traps are pretty potent, more potent than is even possible from basic NWN traps even. :lol:

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Iceborn » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:15 pm

Sab1 wrote:I thought traps worked same on doors as if they were on chest. If you try to open it, kaboom. to you are saying door traps go off if try pick locks?

Was kai a kobold? I remember watching a poor kobold going up in smoke a couple of times while trying the abyssal fortress a few years ago.
He was, and I proudly playtested a lot of the areas with him.
Most of them resulted in horrible, excruciating deaths before trying with a more complete party.

He was at basically 80 open lock too, and I remember well the regret of taking ESF: Open Lock for the purpose of cracking homes. To the day, I still dislike the 127 DC houses.
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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Gods_Kill_People » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:25 pm

Honestly Iceborn, I do too, and the downside is, when people sell houses, the locks and traps dont reset to 1 (which I totally think they should). So people sit forever at 127, practically killing the "I am a thief" rp.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by One Two Three Five » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:32 pm

The one solitary time I dropped my house locks to facilitate 'I am a thief' rp, most of my stuff got jacked (and fixtures bashed, of course), over the course of a couple days with no 'thief rp' put in my direction to ever figure out what happened. No thanks, this time, think I'm good with uberlocks. Granted, I was against the original change of houses being pickable anyway. You want to get some cool rogue RP? Set your locks how you want.
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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Nitro » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:56 pm

It'd be cool if there were some more NPC houses with high-ish lock DC's for rogues to do some burglarizing into, with some chests containing gold and some dungeon loot.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Sab1 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:45 am

Iceborn wrote:
Sab1 wrote:I thought traps worked same on doors as if they were on chest. If you try to open it, kaboom. to you are saying door traps go off if try pick locks?

Was kai a kobold? I remember watching a poor kobold going up in smoke a couple of times while trying the abyssal fortress a few years ago.
He was, and I proudly playtested a lot of the areas with him.
Most of them resulted in horrible, excruciating deaths before trying with a more complete party.

He was at basically 80 open lock too, and I remember well the regret of taking ESF: Open Lock for the purpose of cracking homes. To the day, I still dislike the 127 DC houses.
Gods I loved that kobold, I not sure I have ever laughed so hard as when the group was outside the Abyssal Fortress chatting then heard the kobold say something like lets have look at this, then loud noise, and suddenly there is the poor kobold laying dead on the ground. :lol:

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by InTheFlesh » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:32 am

Nitro wrote:It'd be cool if there were some more NPC houses with high-ish lock DC's for rogues to do some burglarizing into, with some chests containing gold and some dungeon loot.
There are.

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Re: How does forcing doors work?

Post by Nitro » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:39 am

InTheFlesh wrote:
Nitro wrote:It'd be cool if there were some more NPC houses with high-ish lock DC's for rogues to do some burglarizing into, with some chests containing gold and some dungeon loot.
There are.
Yes, note the use of the word 'more' in that sentence.

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