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Teiflings and tails?

Post by Seekeepeek » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:34 pm

i seen a lot of newer characters with tails and i been told ooc you can ask a DM for a tail. is this a thing?

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Queen Titania » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:16 pm

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by BegoneThoth » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:17 pm

I thought a tail was a 5% :o
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Teshil » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:28 pm

:D It's a penalty not a bonus!

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by TimeAdept » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:15 pm

no its definitely a bonus ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Ironfoot » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:50 am

So they can be thiefling and pick head with "horns" on creation or not right? But for tail, they ask DM?

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by MalKalz » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:56 am

Tieflings can choose to have one of their two physical traits be horns if they want. Tails, however, are not part of character creation and need a DM to actively summon an NPC to allow it.

However, choosing a tail does come with a cost. You are furthering your appearance as more monstrous and should be accepting of the hostility that comes towards it from lack of understanding and being a monsterous race.

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Seven Sons of Sin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:00 pm

^This is overblown (no offense Spyre). At least in my limited interactions, I got called a bigot for being suspicious of tieflings.

You honestly can play one with (little to) no consequence, based on my assessment.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Griefmaker » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:58 pm

Seven Sons of Sin wrote:^This is overblown (no offense Spyre). At least in my limited interactions, I got called a bigot for being suspicious of tieflings.

You honestly can play one with (little to) no consequence, based on my assessment.
I actually have to agree with this. Warlocks and the stigma of being one was considered a strong enough negative for their greater power as well, but in actuality, very rarely is it a true consequence. Same with dragons at the time and so forth.

Ideally, being something different and "foul" like this would be a true burden, but it is not.

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by caldura firebourne » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:37 pm

DM Spyre wrote:Tieflings can choose to have one of their two physical traits be horns if they want. Tails, however, are not part of character creation and need a DM to actively summon an NPC to allow it.

However, choosing a tail does come with a cost. You are furthering your appearance as more monstrous and should be accepting of the hostility that comes towards it from lack of understanding and being a monsterous race.
Seven Sons of Sin wrote:^This is overblown (no offense Spyre). At least in my limited interactions, I got called a bigot for being suspicious of tieflings.

You honestly can play one with (little to) no consequence, based on my assessment.
there is a huge difference between accepting as a player you're playing a monster and should be treated as such, and accepting it in character, if someone has called you "as a player" a bigot for treating a tiefling like a monster then I would see an issue with it, but it's perfectly acceptable for a tiefling "as a character" to be a bit miffed at being treated like trash for their lineage.

there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from putting together a faction not unlike the warlock hunting browncloaks and driving these monsters or demon summoners into hiding
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Improv » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:41 pm

*shrugs* It comes and goes, I think. I've seen characters shunned for accidently speaking infernal or summoning the wrong thing. Depends where you are, who you run with...

Lots of people play morally nebulous characters too. If you see a Paladin who's weirdly accepting of warlocks and tieflings that may be worth reporting but otherwise you can't force people to RP suspicion. You can also just act shifty and get them a reason to be wary of you if you think your character is getting too many rainbows and hugs, one thing that always draws suspicion out in my experience is being in disguise, nobody seems to want to engage you then.

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Tarkus the dog » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:48 am

What do you mean I can't sexy elven fun times tieflings on my aasimar paladin

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Queen Titania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:41 am

If Tieflings aren't getting regarded with the suspicion we want, then we as a team are likely to take action, via story or otherwise, that introduces that stigma. It's been done with warlocks in the past when that was an issue.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Wytchee » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:44 am

DM Titania wrote:It's been done with warlocks in the past when that was an issue.
It still is.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by BegoneThoth » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:29 am

Some dork yesterday gave me a pamphlet telling me how evil/dangerous warlocks are and how to ID them, so it's still pretty stigmatized I'd say.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by DM Always This Late » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:30 am

If someone was starting a movement to normalize Tiefling relations I would be very suspicious of said persons motives and wondering if they were under some sort of enchantment.

It'd be entirely appropriate lore wise to hate/distrust/persecute Tieflings, and as mentioned by some other DM's, expected in most cases around Arelith. I'd consult some of the past threads regarding the recent announcement about using the word "Racist" there was some really good posts that delved into situations regarding name calling and race relations etc.

As an example, That friendly Tiefling that seems nice enough? She could be half succubus and you're about to get your soul eaten!

Can you really trust a Tiefling? Are you okay with potentially having your eternal soul being on the lunch menu!

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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Cortex » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:23 am

...popping in just to mention this, as it is one of the biggest pet peeve of mine.

The fact a tiefling with sub-8 CHA, with bare blue skin and horns, was able to stay commander of the Cordor guard (idk if she still is) for as long as she did, and was allegedly persecuting people for 'racism', is I think enough evidence that there isn't enough persecution for tieflings, aasimar or any freak races.

A small disclaimer, I don't really want to single out the player/character above, as there has been other examples of special races getting normal or even special treatment, but it served as a stellar example for the point I wanted to bring across.

There is, and wasn't, any actual dislike of known tieflings that I've ever noticed(bar some paladins, some others seem to really dig tieflings). And I feel any attempt to say there is, are very specific and unique occurances.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by caldura firebourne » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:38 am

Cortex wrote:The fact a tiefling with sub-8 CHA, with bare blue skin and horns, was able to stay commander of the Cordor guard (idk if she still is) for as long as she did, and was allegedly persecuting people for 'racism', is I think enough evidence that there isn't enough persecution for tieflings, aasimar or any freak races.
I would think the King of Cordor would have stepped on this one personally if the players in power didn't
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by TimeAdept » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:52 am

Cortex wrote:...popping in just to mention this, as it is one of the biggest pet peeve of mine.

The fact a tiefling with sub-8 CHA, with bare blue skin and horns, was able to stay commander of the Cordor guard (idk if she still is) for as long as she did, and was allegedly persecuting people for 'racism', is I think enough evidence that there isn't enough persecution for tieflings, aasimar or any freak races.

A small disclaimer, I don't really want to single out the player/character above, as there has been other examples of special races getting normal or even special treatment, but it served as a stellar example for the point I wanted to bring across.

There is, and wasn't, any actual dislike of known tieflings that I've ever noticed(bar some paladins, some others seem to really dig tieflings). And I feel any attempt to say there is, are very specific and unique occurances.
As Chancellor of Cordor I will say there are very specific reasons why she is Knight Commander, and there are agreat many characters who understand how complex of an issue this is on many levels.

Edit: And to say people "like" the situation or the tiefling in question is a gross misunderstanding of the situation in question as well, again, speaking as the Chancellor who spends 90% of his time dealing with the fires that arise around this exact situation.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by BegoneThoth » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:54 am

Cortex wrote:...popping in just to mention this, as it is one of the biggest pet peeve of mine.

The fact a tiefling with sub-8 CHA, with bare blue skin and horns, was able to stay commander of the Cordor guard (idk if she still is) for as long as she did, and was allegedly persecuting people for 'racism', is I think enough evidence that there isn't enough persecution for tieflings, aasimar or any freak races.

A small disclaimer, I don't really want to single out the player/character above, as there has been other examples of special races getting normal or even special treatment, but it served as a stellar example for the point I wanted to bring across.

There is, and wasn't, any actual dislike of known tieflings that I've ever noticed(bar some paladins, some others seem to really dig tieflings). And I feel any attempt to say there is, are very specific and unique occurances.
how much CHA would you have liked to see for a PC in that position?
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Cortex » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:00 am

Why are you focusing exclusively on the CHA part? Of which the point was less so "you need X CHA for this position" and more so that it's not a manipulative succubus blooded tiefling, but rather what looks more like a brutish bloodline.
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Hunter548 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:05 am

BegoneThoth wrote: how much CHA would you have liked to see for a PC in that position?
The operative phrase there was "tiefling", I imagine, not "8 charisma".

Regardless -- There's been a lot of tieflings in Cordor in general of recent (Upwards of six, last I counted). Most of them have been pretty open about it.

If the intent of the DMs is for them to be treated as monsters, maybe steps should be taken to remind the portion of the playerbase who doesn't behave that way?
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Re: Teiflings and tails?

Post by Peppermint » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:05 am

Silly Cortex. Clearly, you misplaced your emphasis. Had you mentioned that the character was a tiefling before listing their charisma score, your intent would have been clearer.

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