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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Lorkas » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:29 pm

It's not minor, but it is also a much smaller thing than build decisions are. The only really big effect is that it's easier for certain characters to achieve epic dodge, which dwarfs the +1 to AB/AC/reflex in importance.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by susitsu » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:34 pm

Personally, I see it as a good opportunity to boost your char up in other areas, as opposed to push for maximum dex. The less points you have to spend in character creation in a single stat, the more you can bring up con and int.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Terminal_Templari » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:25 am

susitsu wrote:Personally, I see it as a good opportunity to boost your char up in other areas, as opposed to push for maximum dex.
You can do that if you want, but I think everyone knows that there's a massive propensity to powerbuild on this server, and justifiably so when the XP grind and PVP are dependent so entirely on having cutting edge stats for save DC's, saves, AC or AB. If RP builds and powerbuilds earned XP at the same rate, then I'd agree... (I'm not actually suggesting that, just pointing it out)

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by gilescorey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:07 pm

oh darn, having 1 more ab instead of another skill? filthy powerbuilders.........

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by susitsu » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:53 am

okay, but you could have the same AB and damage output as every single other build, but also more skills, fortitude, and HP

hm...

confusing

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by gilescorey » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:44 pm

MARGINAL PROPENSITY TO POWERBUILD

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Peppermint » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:08 pm

gilescorey wrote:
Commie wrote:Looks like I gotta grind out some rewards.
i hope dragonshape gets completely obliterated by nerfs just because of this post
Ah, foreshadowing.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Commie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:40 pm

Peppermint wrote:
gilescorey wrote:
Commie wrote:Looks like I gotta grind out some rewards.
i hope dragonshape gets completely obliterated by nerfs just because of this post
Ah, foreshadowing.
Foreshadowing to what?

People tell me the form is either godlike or useless. There seems to be no middle ground!

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Iceborn » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:41 pm

There's been one very good suggestion in the past regarding dragonshape:
Lower its requirements drastically, lower its raw power.

And if you make something that adds some potential to expand without cheesing out with monk levels, even better.
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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Peppermint » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:34 pm

Much of the debate surrounding dragon shape pertains to its performance in PvP. And around doors.

It's undeniable that it's broken in PvE, though. 40/+6 DR leaves you pretty well invulnerable to anything on Arelith.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Iceborn » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:50 pm

In my humblest opinion, and derrailing the topic further, dragonshape is not first and foremost an issue because it's intrinsically powerful; it is something that is off with the game because it requires one to basically dedicate the whole build toward acquiring it, that can only be acquired in high epics, and becomes your first and last move in every encounter.

Also, yes, it's horribly powerful.
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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Cortex » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:55 pm

If it's changed, it's requisites are likely to be lowered so it's more within range.
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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by susitsu » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:22 am

Good dragonshapers I know don't even use it for PvE, they default to totem or elemental shapes.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Ork » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:18 pm

lower requirements means more dragon sexy elven fun times.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by gilescorey » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:01 pm

susitsu wrote:Good dragonshapers I know don't even use it for PvE, they default to totem or elemental shapes.
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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Tryn Dralar » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:26 pm

So as a half elf that took the dodge bonus a couple months back, the only way to get that fixed so I can select a different feat instead since its now free, is to possibly get deleved back to lvl 3 (where I took the dodge feat) but not get releveled correct?

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Lorkas » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:45 pm

Correct.

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Re: Subrace Update Questions!

Post by Sab1 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:26 am

I think the reason is with all the changes the server does, the dms would end up doing a lot of releveling after each change. I feel your pain, my druid took imp unarmed, then later they got it for free.

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