Shadow Mage/Shadow Adept
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Shadow Mage/Shadow Adept
Is this class coming to regular arelith? (Shadow Weave/Illusionists are hugely my thing)
Are the bonuses/penalties up for being adjuested? The Shadow Weave's supposed to be better for enchantment/necromancy, in addition to illusion spells, so it'd make sense to get a bonus to both of those as well.
As for the penalty; Would it be possible to instead have evocation spells be significantly less effective? I ask only because it'll be incredibly obvious that your character is antithetical to normal mages, despite Shar being all about secrecy and shadow mages (Usually) being able to at least pass as a normal mage. An inability to cast evocation spells, however, gives a super obvious warning if you ever get in a vaguely difficult fight, which goes against the whole Sharran secrecy thing.
No light spells, no fire descriptor spells, half CL on other evocation spells, or something to that effect?
Are the bonuses/penalties up for being adjuested? The Shadow Weave's supposed to be better for enchantment/necromancy, in addition to illusion spells, so it'd make sense to get a bonus to both of those as well.
As for the penalty; Would it be possible to instead have evocation spells be significantly less effective? I ask only because it'll be incredibly obvious that your character is antithetical to normal mages, despite Shar being all about secrecy and shadow mages (Usually) being able to at least pass as a normal mage. An inability to cast evocation spells, however, gives a super obvious warning if you ever get in a vaguely difficult fight, which goes against the whole Sharran secrecy thing.
No light spells, no fire descriptor spells, half CL on other evocation spells, or something to that effect?
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Thematically, I hope so.
Mechanically, I hope they also make the additions that it is difficult to use the Weave to dispel effects cast by the Shadow Weave, and vice versa, and have magic cast by the Shadow Weave not be affected by regions of wild magic in the UD.
Mechanically, I hope they also make the additions that it is difficult to use the Weave to dispel effects cast by the Shadow Weave, and vice versa, and have magic cast by the Shadow Weave not be affected by regions of wild magic in the UD.
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I for one know several mages that I've never seen use evocation spells, or use them very infrequently - illusionists/enchanters usually. Without metagame knowledge of a class there is little reason to think an enchanter/illusionist is an evil shadow mage just because they don't use evocation spells. The infinite cast of acid arrow makes it easier to not need evocation as well.
Sounds like they use the shadow weave for their spells rather than the weave - sounds interesting/fun!
Sounds like they use the shadow weave for their spells rather than the weave - sounds interesting/fun!
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Far more range than the Warlock classes have.
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My thought process on the secrecy thing comes mostly down to IGMS. After a certain level, in a tough fight a mages sole contribution tends to be IGMS, at least after everyone is hasted.WanderingPoet wrote:I for one know several mages that I've never seen use evocation spells, or use them very infrequently - illusionists/enchanters usually. Without metagame knowledge of a class there is little reason to think an enchanter/illusionist is an evil shadow mage just because they don't use evocation spells. The infinite cast of acid arrow makes it easier to not need evocation as well.
Sounds like they use the shadow weave for their spells rather than the weave - sounds interesting/fun!
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There's no obvious reason why someone would call you out as a Sharran for casting BBoD, Phantasmal Killer/Weird, Horrid Wilting, or something else like that instead, though.
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You're right - This was mostly just a top of the head metagaming concern sort of thing.
It definitely should be a boost to all three schools however. And also be choosable after creation, since it doesn't appear to be in FL?
It definitely should be a boost to all three schools however. And also be choosable after creation, since it doesn't appear to be in FL?
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Might be a good opportunity for another NPC in a secret spot that teaches someone to do it?
Looks like a great class idea in general. Might be worth considering having lowered DC's on evocation spells, or maybe a backlash result when casting them?
Looks like a great class idea in general. Might be worth considering having lowered DC's on evocation spells, or maybe a backlash result when casting them?
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Ive never even played an evoker past level 8. All my mages are a bit more flavor.
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IGMS operates wholly independently of focus. It's as useful as it is whether you have all the evocation feats or none at all.
That's like saying you don't care about Transmutation because you've never made a character with feats in it; Time Stop and Haste are Transmutation spells, and the latter is arguably the most powerful spell/effect in NWN.
That's like saying you don't care about Transmutation because you've never made a character with feats in it; Time Stop and Haste are Transmutation spells, and the latter is arguably the most powerful spell/effect in NWN.
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Bump.
Any chance of this coming to the main server, devs? I'd love to play one.
Any chance of this coming to the main server, devs? I'd love to play one.
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It looks absolutely incredible. I think it deserves bonuses to either necromancy or enchantment too.
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It's going to get +2 to necromancy and enchantment. Scholar has approved it for the main server, so I'll probably merge the code across at some point today.
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Will this also be applied for Bards? Bards make for excellent characters of Sharran faith, and are using arcane spell casting too.
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At present it is wizards and sorcs only. Bards not having many evocation spells (and no critical ones), means that the "no evo" restriction is basically meaningless to them. I'm open to making it a bard path as well but it would need a better drawback - losing Ice Storm and Gust of Wind really isn't a significant cost.
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Will this have the same req's as FL's version (Evil only, must worship Shar?)
Will it be character creation only, or acquirable after creation at [FITTING REDACTED LOCATION] ala Warlocks?
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At present, it's on creation only, though there's a proposal out there for being able to take it as a pact at [FITTING REDACTED LOCATION].
Evil only isn't a restriction, worship of Shar is. At least, if you want to retain the ability to cast arcane spells. If you don't have levels in a divine class, you can even be Good aligned... presumably with an interesting story to back that up.
Evil only isn't a restriction, worship of Shar is. At least, if you want to retain the ability to cast arcane spells. If you don't have levels in a divine class, you can even be Good aligned... presumably with an interesting story to back that up.
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Mithreas wrote: there's a proposal out there for being able to take it as a pact at [FITTING REDACTED LOCATION].
being able to make a shadow weave-ist after creation would make a lot more sense to my mind, given that the shadow weave isn't hugely common knowledge
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May take levels in Shadowdancer without meeting the usual requirements. Instead of gaining Sneak Attack from their shadow, Shadow Mages get +1 caster level per Shadowdancer level.
Does that mean they only get the CL when the shadow is near them? and how does the EPIC shadow lord feat affect this?
Does that mean they only get the CL when the shadow is near them? and how does the EPIC shadow lord feat affect this?
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Will dms be able to give tokens for this?
Please say yes
Please say yes
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Like every other path, it shouldn't need DM help.Purplemyst wrote:Will dms be able to give tokens for this?
Please say yes
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I was meaning till an npc is implemented.
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in lore there's a difference between shadow magic and shadow weaving. As well, once you swap to Shadow Weaving, you don't come back 'cause Mystra cuts you from her Weave. Barring some sort of quest to seek forgiveness from Mystra (possible DM quests!)
I'm guessing shadow weave items are going to be nigh impossible to implement, and it being harder for usual Weave users to identify shadow weave spells and vice versa, or any sort of visual difference to their spells.
Either way, this looks like it might be a nifty way to mechanically differentiate between sources of magic.
I'm guessing shadow weave items are going to be nigh impossible to implement, and it being harder for usual Weave users to identify shadow weave spells and vice versa, or any sort of visual difference to their spells.
Either way, this looks like it might be a nifty way to mechanically differentiate between sources of magic.
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Awkward, I'm tempted.
If the character is a legacy weavemaster, how would this go down both mechanically and lore wise?
If the character is a legacy weavemaster, how would this go down both mechanically and lore wise?
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Can we get confirmation on whether this will be selectable post-creation?
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