Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

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Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Dalek Caan » Sun May 21, 2017 4:01 pm

Good evening beautiful people!

I know that animal domain and conjuration foci do stack, not in the way that a character can summon a creature two tiers higher but in that some bonuses are added.

Now I looked left and right and I can't, for the life of me, figure out how it stacks and what that effectively means for bonuses on summons. Could someone assemble this info in the style of "Domains and Conjuration Stacking for Dummies"?

And while we're at it... is there a table with bonuses to summons from epic caster levels? EDIT: Scratch that, found it:
http://wiki.arelith.com/Summoning_Chang ... ster_Bonus

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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by One Two Three Five » Sun May 21, 2017 4:33 pm

Summon Creature

Greater Conjuration Focus only raises the summon tier by 1 instead of the bonus above. Warlocks do not get the raised tier, but the one shown above. Casters with the Animal domain and Greater Conjuration Focus will receive both the increased tier and the summoning bonus.
So animal domain + G-conj will get you 1 tier higher summons as normal, and also the greater spell focus bonus that planar summons would get.
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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Iceborn » Sun May 21, 2017 4:40 pm

The wiki wrote:Each level of focus provides:

+1 to all skills the summon has ranks in
+1 hit dice worth of hit points (meaning, as if the creature was 1 level above in terms of HP, both adding base class HP and CON modifier).
+1 AB
+1 Damage
+1 AC
+1 Universal Saves
I'm not sure what 1235 is aiming for.
You get +1 increased tier, and the bonus above for every relevant spell focus you have (Conjuration in the case).
It's all literally just in the article you posted.
Misc Changes, with the Feats and Skills sublinks.
Available races
Spell Changes
Class Mechanics
Command Guide

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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Dalek Caan » Sun May 21, 2017 5:02 pm

Iceborn wrote:
The wiki wrote:Each level of focus provides:

+1 to all skills the summon has ranks in
+1 hit dice worth of hit points (meaning, as if the creature was 1 level above in terms of HP, both adding base class HP and CON modifier).
+1 AB
+1 Damage
+1 AC
+1 Universal Saves
I'm not sure what 1235 is aiming for.
You get +1 increased tier, and the bonus above for every relevant spell focus you have (Conjuration in the case).
It's all literally just in the article you posted.
Is it...? Is it possible that i misunderstand the meaning of tier?

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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Dalek Caan » Sun May 21, 2017 5:04 pm

Oh. I think I get it now.

So the effect of summoning creatures one level higher is basically applied through the animal domain. The normal and greater spell focus: conjuration then both add the bonuses mentioned above, so:
+2 to skills
+2 to hit dice
+2 AB
+2 Damage
+2 AC
+2 Unisaves

Assuming a character does not have the animal domain, does that half the bonus since the upgrade to the next higher is applied through greater spell focus: conjuration? Or does the greater focus (without the animal domain!) give both the tier upgrade and the bonus?

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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by One Two Three Five » Sun May 21, 2017 5:54 pm

If you don't have animal domain conj focus ONLY gives the summon creature line the tier upgrade.
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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Iceborn » Sun May 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Tier:
http://wiki.arelith.com/Summons

With Animal Domain OR Great Conjuration Focus, you summon a creature one tier higher (Summon Creature VI brings the Summon Creature VII elemental instead of the tiger).
With Animal Domain AND Each Conjuration Focus that you have, you summon a creature one tier higher AND you get +1 to all the stats above, as you said with Greater Focus.

It's really all written in the article.
Misc Changes, with the Feats and Skills sublinks.
Available races
Spell Changes
Class Mechanics
Command Guide

Take a look before asking your questions!

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Re: Animal Domain & Conjuration Spell Foci

Post by Dalek Caan » Sun May 21, 2017 6:58 pm

I do now understand this. Thanks gang :-)

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