Monk Quarterstaff Build Questions

[gilescorey]

What about 10 monk, 4 rogue, 16 bg?

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[Sab1]

Also something to remember, if you go wild or wood elf you get: Does not leave tracks if wearing cloth or light armor and can use -track. So you can get some of the ranger perks without needing ranger.

Also for a fister monk, would a 20 monk5/5 fighter/5rogue be a bad combo?

[gilescorey]

Also something to remember, if you go wild or wood elf you get: Does not leave tracks if wearing cloth or light armor and can use -track. So you can get some of the ranger perks without needing ranger.

Also for a fister monk, would a 20 monk5/5 fighter/5rogue be a bad combo?

The problem with fighter levels in a 20 monk level build is that you lose access to either Epic Dodge or UMD, both of which are rather crucial for your survival. The 6 damage from epic weapon specialisation is nice but not worth the trade off. The AB bonus is a non factor once you realise divine power scrolls exist, making a monk with access to both vastly superior to 20monks with fighter levels.

[Trunx]

Also something to remember, if you go wild or wood elf you get: Does not leave tracks if wearing cloth or light armor and can use -track. So you can get some of the ranger perks without needing ranger.

Also for a fister monk, would a 20 monk5/5 fighter/5rogue be a bad combo?

The problem with fighter levels in a 20 monk level build is that you lose access to either Epic Dodge or UMD, both of which are rather crucial for your survival. The 6 damage from epic weapon specialisation is nice but not worth the trade off. The AB bonus is a non factor once you realise divine power scrolls exist, making a monk with access to both vastly superior to 20monks with fighter levels.

Divine Power scrolls are only good in theory. In practice, you're spending one round to use a scroll that lasts 7 rounds, and that's on top of everything else you have to do: keep your haste up, breach, Timestop, TS potions, the list goes on. It adds preparation/idle time to classes that normally don't have any, and it adds up to a lot of time spent standing around when combined with other UMD necessities. It's almost never worth it for non-clerics.

[Astral]

Oh the good old debate of yes/no to fighter lvls in 20monk build. Usually they the more vocal opinion is the No.

Not long ago, I saw a duel between two lvl 30 monks. one of them is 20/10, the other is 20/5/5. Guess who won.

[gilescorey]

Yes, your anecdotal evidence is the ultimate trump card, Astral, and the numbers are meaningless.

[Sab1]

I'm always partial to the unusual builds. I think the main debate is can you live without epic dodge especially if you are a fist type.

[Astral]

The problem with fighter levels in a 20 monk level build is that you lose access to either Epic Dodge or UMD, both of which are rather crucial for your survival. The 6 damage from epic weapon specialisation is nice but not worth the trade off.

I just agree. What do you want man.

[gilescorey]

The problem with fighter levels in a 20 monk level build is that you lose access to either Epic Dodge or UMD, both of which are rather crucial for your survival. The 6 damage from epic weapon specialisation is nice but not worth the trade off.

I just agree. What do you want man.

mfw these forums have made me so jaded and cynical i automatically assume people are being sarcastic instead of genuine

sorry dude

[Astral]

So yeah, 20/10 monks. The Fibonacci build. Also, it's cool bro <3

[dallion43]

If you want to be special :p.
Actually, 16 monk/10 rogue/4 sorc will give you 7 TStrike and 3 BIH per rest, if you don't like your potion/scroll making friend. IInv is easier to get from what I seen, maybe wrong?:P
Or 18/10/2 will give you IInv and 3-4 TStrike per rest.

Mind immunity is extra on a monk such as above due to spellcraft and +2 will/fort from pre 20 feats.

This build was written on a server where a TStrike potion was unallowed, so unsure if it fits Arelith.

[Sab1]

The problem with fighter levels in a 20 monk level build is that you lose access to either Epic Dodge or UMD, both of which are rather crucial for your survival. The 6 damage from epic weapon specialisation is nice but not worth the trade off.

I just agree. What do you want man.

mfw these forums have made me so jaded and cynical i automatically assume people are being sarcastic instead of genuine

sorry dude

See now I feel the need to try it. I will make 20/5/5 the new must have build.

[Astral]

If you want to be special :p.
Actually, 16 monk/10 rogue/4 sorc will give you 7 TStrike and 3 BIH per rest, if you don't like your potion/scroll making friend. IInv is easier to get from what I seen, maybe wrong?:P
Or 18/10/2 will give you IInv and 3-4 TStrike per rest.

Mind immunity is extra on a monk such as above due to spellcraft and +2 will/fort from pre 20 feats.

This build was written on a server where a TStrike potion was unallowed, so unsure if it fits Arelith.

No. Just no. I'd definitely trade these 4 sorc lvls for monk and return to 20/10. In arelith TS potions are very much allowed. And why people trade epic dodge for 6 demage? I can somewhat understand people who go 20monk 5sd 5 rogue but fighter is just straight out weaker.

[Sab1]

If you want to be special :p.
Actually, 16 monk/10 rogue/4 sorc will give you 7 TStrike and 3 BIH per rest, if you don't like your potion/scroll making friend. IInv is easier to get from what I seen, maybe wrong?:P
Or 18/10/2 will give you IInv and 3-4 TStrike per rest.

Mind immunity is extra on a monk such as above due to spellcraft and +2 will/fort from pre 20 feats.

This build was written on a server where a TStrike potion was unallowed, so unsure if it fits Arelith.

No. Just no. I'd definitely trade these 4 sorc lvls for monk and return to 20/10. In arelith TS potions are very much allowed. And why people trade epic dodge for 6 demage? I can somewhat understand people who go 20monk 5sd 5 rogue but fighter is just straight out weaker.

For a challenge? Common builds are boring, that's why I boycott kama monks.

[Zavandar]

There's challenge and there's worse for the sake of it.

As it stands, I'm looking at 19/6/5 rogue/monk/fighter. Since I want a quarterstaff, that's probably the best build for it.

For all I know, though, I may just go the unarmed 20/10 or 20/5/5 route. I think a 20/5/5 monk/sd/assassin of Hoar could be neat. If I went quarterstaff, though, it'd be a completely different concept. Probably someone from Kara-Tur.

[Astral]

If you want to be special :p.
Actually, 16 monk/10 rogue/4 sorc will give you 7 TStrike and 3 BIH per rest, if you don't like your potion/scroll making friend. IInv is easier to get from what I seen, maybe wrong?:P
Or 18/10/2 will give you IInv and 3-4 TStrike per rest.

Mind immunity is extra on a monk such as above due to spellcraft and +2 will/fort from pre 20 feats.

This build was written on a server where a TStrike potion was unallowed, so unsure if it fits Arelith.

No. Just no. I'd definitely trade these 4 sorc lvls for monk and return to 20/10. In arelith TS potions are very much allowed. And why people trade epic dodge for 6 demage? I can somewhat understand people who go 20monk 5sd 5 rogue but fighter is just straight out weaker.

For a challenge? Common builds are boring, that's why I boycott kama monks.

It's not a challenge if it's exactly the same character concept but with simply a weaker build.

As it stands, I'm looking at 19/6/5 rogue/monk/fighter. Since I want a quarterstaff, that's probably the best build for it.

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This might be the least optimal quarterstaff monk out of almost all possible combinations. either find a way to net 20th monk lvl or go for 6 monk lvls and go rogue heavy. The second option is way stronger.

[One Two Three Five]

at 19/6/5 rogue/monk/fighter

This might be the least optimal quarterstaff monk out of all most possible combinations. either find a way to net 20th monk lvl or got for 6 monk lvls and go rogue heavy

Uhm.

[dallion43]

No. Just no. I'd definitely trade these 4 sorc lvls for monk and return to 20/10. In arelith TS potions are very much allowed. And why people trade epic dodge for 6 demage? I can somewhat understand people who go 20monk 5sd 5 rogue but fighter is just straight out weaker.

It just a potential build for people that want something different RP vise, non necessary optimal 100%.
Regardless, If somehow there was an indication that it was directed to you, I apologize :p

BTW, 3 BIH, under haste potion, usually makes a difference in a fight between DEX builds.
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It's not a challenge if it's exactly the same character concept but with simply a weaker build.

A round is an in-game unit of time that lasts six seconds. In addition to being a general unit of time (such as for the duration of spells), a round is the basic reference time interval for combat.
Combat rounds are defined per creature rather than being global throughout the module (or even throughout a combat). Each creature's individual combat round is started the moment it makes an attack (melee or ranged) or uses an item. (Casting a spell does not start a combat round. It is possible to attack immediately after a spell is cast.)

But, yeah, a weaker build, why wouldn't it be? :p
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Regardless of your build consider fixing your pre 20 bab. If you can't hit anyone it won't be easy.
Divine power scroll, while efficient, goes into +20 max AB bonus.

[Astral]

A round is an in-game unit of time that lasts six seconds. In addition to being a general unit of time (such as for the duration of spells), a round is the basic reference time interval for combat.
Combat rounds are defined per creature rather than being global throughout the module (or even throughout a combat). Each creature's individual combat round is started the moment it makes an attack (melee or ranged) or uses an item. (Casting a spell does not start a combat round. It is possible to attack immediately after a spell is cast.)

Why are you explaining this to us? I don't catch the reference.



Let me explain something.
When people want to try something 'different' they usually play an entirely different concept, classes, alignment, etc. 20/10 build and a 20m/5fighter/5rogue, are really the same thing, only that one of them has epic dodge and the other has 1 more apr (which is in the end of the round with irrelevant ab), +1 ab and +6 damage. Telling people "You can also try fighter because it has a different RP twist to it" is perhaps true or not (in my opinion it's still the same concept) but what you don't tell them is how your version of the build is objectively and mechanically weaker than the builds mentioned above (20/10 with rogue or 6monk/X-fighter/Y-rogue) in a thread that is supposed to be mechanically enlightening to someone (or few someone's) from an optimization perspective. Please stick to that, for otherwise you might be misleading people with your respected but misplaced advice.

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[Zavandar]

19/6/5 is 19 rogue 6 monk 5 fighter. Not 19 monk.