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Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:54 pm

Last night, everything was perfectly fine. Not sure if this will end up relevant or not, but I updated my PC as I shut down and went to bed. Now everything runs smoothly up until the point I try loading into a character. Upon attempting to, loading the area takes much, much longer than it should, and the screen literally remains frozen, only to unfreeze once every like ten seconds in response to a movement of my mouse to highlight something. Just closing out takes some patience if I don't just use Task Manager.

My computer is running perfectly fine, otherwise.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:16 am

...I have tried a lot of things to no avail. If anyone has any out of the box suggestions, I'll take them before I end up just doing a wipe of my computer.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by The Rambling Midget » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:47 am

You got one of them fancy, newfangled graphics control panels for your video card? There might be some setting in there that's disagreeing with NWN.

Also, make sure Shiny Water is off. Shiny Water makes the universe implode, sometimes.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:49 am

Think its the latest Windows 10 update. I'm rolling back my system to see if it helps.

*Edit Rollback failed. I'm totally hosed at the moment too. I'm guessing one of these is the culprit, as all installed today. I have the exact same problem. :shock:

Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB3150513)

Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - March 2017 (KB890830)

Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB4013418)

Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB4013429)

Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version 1607 (for x64-based Systems) (KB4014329)
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:32 am

Anyone else have these problems?
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by This is not for you. » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:43 am

This happened to me.

Go into your settings and uninstall the windows security update, then reset. That fixed my problem.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:47 am

RedGiant wrote:Rollback failed.
Which one did you take out?
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by This is not for you. » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:53 am

Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - March 2017 (KB890830)

I think that one. It definitely had to do with security. Either that or the main recent update from March, not from Feburary.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:21 am

Got it! You were right! I uninstalled the 3/15/2017 Security Update associated with what I believe to be Security Update for Microsoft Windows (KB4013429). (The update history oddly displays slighty different historys in the App and the Control Panel? Whaaat?!?) Anyhow, it now runs like a champ!

Thanks TINFY! Susitsu, does this solve it for you?
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:52 am

EGADS, IT WORKED! BY THE NINE, YOU ARE OUR SAVIOR!

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by ActionReplay » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:33 am

lol Windows at it again

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:22 pm

So how do you get the bloody update to not re-install without disabling all automatic updating? I tried microsoft's hide update tool, but its doesn't seem to list the KB4013429 update I'm trying to block?

This is a real problem.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:00 pm

I think I may have found the solution!
Here is the afore-mentioned Microsoft tool to block specific updates.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... windows-10

Warning: I could only get this tool to work for Security Update for Microsoft Windows (KB4013429),which automatically reinstalled this morning, after uninstalling it a SECOND time and running the tool BEFORE I restarted my computer.

But, all is working again so far...
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:36 pm

Eehhhg...I'm probably going to have to deal with that when I get home. I had a feeling it would be a problem.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by Iceborn » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:38 pm

As an all-time hater of windows updates, I usually just disable the service entirely.

I'll even compose a guide on how to do it, but do so at your own risk. Very, very rarely, some of the updates or the update service may be required for something, so you can undo it by switching the last option to "enabled" again.

Step 1) Open Computer Managing
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Step 2) Go to Services and Applications>Services, scroll down the list to find WIndows Update. Right-click on it and enter its properties.
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Step 3) Press stop, then switch the "Startup Type" to Disabled. Apply and you are done! Windows Updates shall never annoy you again.
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This is in Windows 7. It's not too different in 8 and 10 (basically, the same thing).
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by This is not for you. » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:24 am

Thank you for posting this! It happened to me again and this helped me figure it out.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by RedGiant » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:13 pm

Windows is at it again. This time Security Update for Microsoft Windows (KB4015127) will destroy your frame rates.

Perhaps the more technical side of our community could figure out what vulnerability they are trying to patch and then get a permanent work around?
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:00 am

I never turn off my computer ever since that update...dear lord. Now there's two?

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by Iceborn » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:07 am

Sus, you nerd. Just follow my perfectly fool-proof guide!
You can trust me. Rly.
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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by dallion43 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:17 pm

RedGiant wrote:Windows is at it again. This time Security Update for Microsoft Windows (KB4015127) will destroy your frame rates.

Perhaps the more technical side of our community could figure out what vulnerability they are trying to patch and then get a permanent work around?
Actually, Microsoft update notes a lot of times look like that.
*Security updates to Scripting Engine, libjpeg image-processing library, Hyper-V, Win32k, Adobe Type Manager Font Driver, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge, Graphics component, Active Directory Federation Services, .NET Framework, Active Directory, Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, Windows Kernel model drivers and Windows OLE. (c)

Meaning, it is very hard to diagnose what exactly interfered with NvN, this time.
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This is one sound option, if you careful with your PC use online.

Or, if you want to be 100%, you can try Hyper V if you have Windows 10 Enterprise or Professional.
Just install a Windows XP/7 on a virtual disk and play NvN from there. Disable! the auto updates the minute you will install a XP service pack3 or a standard 7 professional on the virtual drive windows. Allow NwN thru the firewall on the virtual drive and the rest of the standard *what annoys NwN - tweaking guide* and don't use the virtual drive unless you play NwN.
Leave windows 10 auto updates on, and turn off Hyper V if not used.

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Otherwise you will encounter this time after time with Windows updates, especially on Windows 10, since many things that were around when NvN first came out are no longer relevant. It is especially annoying if caused by a combination of updates and affects NwN on certain conditions only.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by Rinny » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:21 pm

Just to chime in.

I am running both

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KB4015127
KB4013429
on my Windows 10 x64 Pro edition machine while still running NwN at 144fps. Whatever the problem is, it's not limited to these updates and there is definitely a resolve.

Can't provide further testing yet, though you may want to review your NwN Install/mods.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by dallion43 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:05 pm

It is sometimes hard to say if a specific windows update messes with NwN/Any Other or doesn't. Since hardware updates are part of windows updates it varies between a PC to PC even with the exactly same Win version. Also, some hardware related updates in WU aren't marked as hardware. Sometimes it is a different software portion like, .NET Framework etc etc, that is different between Win to Win. One has it updated with the latest version, and one doesn't.
Generally, if your NwN was fine until yesterday, lag or FPSec, and you know you didn't do any changes since yesterday and everything else, browser etc, works fine, reverting windows updates to a few days ago is usually one of the things one should try first . If helps, like it helped some of the people above, there was probably something that was tickling NwN the wrong way. If not one should keep looking.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by zinlor » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:05 pm

Ugh... I took a break from the game and when I cam back ran into this issue after my computer had been updated a few times. I sadly can not back up my computer to before the updates killed my FPS. I'm going to have to find another way around it myself.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by susitsu » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:16 pm

zinlor wrote:Ugh... I took a break from the game and when I cam back ran into this issue after my computer had been updated a few times. I sadly can not back up my computer to before the updates killed my FPS. I'm going to have to find another way around it myself.
Rather than system restore, you can just straight up uninstall the update and restart.

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Re: Game freezing up too much to even roleplay

Post by CookieMonster » Fri May 12, 2017 4:30 pm

Uninstalled it, restarted and it re-installed, as well as a load of updates and then had the cheek to check, find and download another huge batch of bloody updates..

So, now I have followed Iceborn's advise and disabled auto-update.
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