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Disguised

Post by Reallylongunneededplayername » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:10 pm

Hi, quicky;
If Bob is diguised, but hasnt changed his name, thus is shown as bob, is bob than disguised?

Got called out for meta gaming a lot lately, where bob is bob in disguise.
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Re: Disguised

Post by Orian_666 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Not an admin/DM so this is just my opinion based on experience.

But if someone is just disguised without a name change, ie they use "-disguise" with nothing after it, AND if they look the exact same as they always do, clothing, hood/helm, all that stuff. If nothing has changed except for the fact that they at one point typed "-disguise" then you would know who they are.
Rules for disguise can get a bit shaky depending on a handful of things. For example Scrying someone that's disguised, and becoming familiar with certain disguises used by the same character, etc etc.
The only time i'd say you shouldn't know who they are is if they actually changed their outfit, concealed their appearance, etc etc, because who's to say they're simply not some other Bob?

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Re: Disguised

Post by Baron Saturday » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:36 pm

Are we talking about the floating name over the character? Because -disguise is currently broken, and doesn't actually change that. If you're basing your ability to recognize disguised characters based solely on the fact that the floating name remains the same, then yeah, that's a problem.
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Re: Disguised

Post by Blood on my Lips » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm

Reallylongunneededplayername wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:10 pm
Hi, quicky;
If Bob is diguised, but hasnt changed his name, thus is shown as bob, is bob than disguised?

Got called out for meta gaming a lot lately, where bob is bob in disguise.
The name floating above a character's head currently does not change when someone is disguised. So while you may see "Bob" over someone's head, you have to open their description to see "Fred". Or if you successfully break the disguise, you will see "Bob".

Both the disguised player and the people observing them need to be a bit more understanding and patient while the disguise function is broken. Not everyone is going to open a character's description every time they see someone.

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Re: Disguised

Post by Durvayas » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:51 pm

Blood on my Lips wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm
Reallylongunneededplayername wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:10 pm
Hi, quicky;
If Bob is diguised, but hasnt changed his name, thus is shown as bob, is bob than disguised?

Got called out for meta gaming a lot lately, where bob is bob in disguise.
The name floating above a character's head currently does not change when someone is disguised. So while you may see "Bob" over someone's head, you have to open their description to see "Fred". Or if you successfully break the disguise, you will see "Bob".

Both the disguised player and the people observing them need to be a bit more understanding and patient while the disguise function is broken. Not everyone is going to open a character's description every time they see someone.
Really, the issue is with the player who is using the disguise system. Only about 40-60% of players, on average, are going to actually check their description and interact with the disguise at all.

Without the (disguised) tag, people don't know to examine and see if their character would make a spot check or not. To them, Bob is just bob, and unless the DMs are going to enshrine a rule that ALL descriptions must be checked by EVERYONE, the disguised player needs to suck it up. Currently, its disguise at your own risk.
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Re: Disguised

Post by Reallylongunneededplayername » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:11 am

If it is broken, put it out of order?
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Re: Disguised

Post by Maladus » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:57 am

Durvayas wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:51 pm
Blood on my Lips wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm
Reallylongunneededplayername wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:10 pm
Hi, quicky;
If Bob is diguised, but hasnt changed his name, thus is shown as bob, is bob than disguised?

Got called out for meta gaming a lot lately, where bob is bob in disguise.
The name floating above a character's head currently does not change when someone is disguised. So while you may see "Bob" over someone's head, you have to open their description to see "Fred". Or if you successfully break the disguise, you will see "Bob".

Both the disguised player and the people observing them need to be a bit more understanding and patient while the disguise function is broken. Not everyone is going to open a character's description every time they see someone.
Really, the issue is with the player who is using the disguise system. Only about 40-60% of players, on average, are going to actually check their description and interact with the disguise at all.

Without the (disguised) tag, people don't know to examine and see if their character would make a spot check or not. To them, Bob is just bob, and unless the DMs are going to enshrine a rule that ALL descriptions must be checked by EVERYONE, the disguised player needs to suck it up. Currently, its disguise at your own risk.
This depends on what was said above, if the character makes no attempt to change their appearance then WYSIWYG and if you’ve seen Bob before then you’ll probably recognize Bob now. If Bob however changes their appearance up completely and you still say hello to Bob then that is an issue.

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Re: Disguised

Post by Reallylongunneededplayername » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:04 pm

Maladus wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:57 am
Durvayas wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:51 pm
Blood on my Lips wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm


The name floating above a character's head currently does not change when someone is disguised. So while you may see "Bob" over someone's head, you have to open their description to see "Fred". Or if you successfully break the disguise, you will see "Bob".

Both the disguised player and the people observing them need to be a bit more understanding and patient while the disguise function is broken. Not everyone is going to open a character's description every time they see someone.
Really, the issue is with the player who is using the disguise system. Only about 40-60% of players, on average, are going to actually check their description and interact with the disguise at all.

Without the (disguised) tag, people don't know to examine and see if their character would make a spot check or not. To them, Bob is just bob, and unless the DMs are going to enshrine a rule that ALL descriptions must be checked by EVERYONE, the disguised player needs to suck it up. Currently, its disguise at your own risk.
This depends on what was said above, if the character makes no attempt to change their appearance then WYSIWYG and if you’ve seen Bob before then you’ll probably recognize Bob now. If Bob however changes their appearance up completely and you still say hello to Bob then that is an issue.
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Re: Disguised

Post by Kuma » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:35 am

Reallylongunneededplayername wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:11 am
If it is broken, put it out of order?
some character concepts are intrinsically based on having the disguise system in play, this isn't really tenable.

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