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Double Dominate not working!

Post by Orian_666 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:34 am

As the title states dominating two things at once when you have ESF: Enchantment simply breaks the dominate on the first target.

Just tested it there in the Bramble on some Hobgoblins, handy little test subjects that they are!!

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Kaymon24 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:57 pm

I can second that and having the same issue with my sorcerer. Releveled him too to take dominate person/monster spells to try this out.

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Post by triaddraykin » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:59 pm

Tested on two friendly creatures, no luck. One is simply removed and wanders around.
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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Poolbrain » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:56 am

I had this work using dominate person on sahuagin and dominate monster on a shark. There was a problem using playertools though. I had three mummies up at the same time too. One minion kept being uncontrollable at random (between both mummies and dominated) as i toggled the playertool on and off.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Orian_666 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:40 pm

So it works with different dominate spells.
Can confirm I tried it with 2 dominate persons and not one of each!
Will test it with 1 of each later.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Piri » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:07 am

Still not working most of the time. Occasionally I can get two followers with dominate monster. Usually it just drops the other one as soon as I cast on a second though.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by naturaly » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:38 pm

Any update here? Two+ months in, it has never worked and no word from team.

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Post by yellowcateyes » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:09 pm

This is a known issue that is being worked on. There are some technical hurdles that are preventing a quick fix, but we are aware of the bug and are working towards a solution.
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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by naturaly » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:05 am

Thanks!

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Bjorn Blue Tiger » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:24 pm

I believe this is working now

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Bjorn Blue Tiger » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:30 pm

Bjorn Blue Tiger wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:24 pm
I believe this is working now
Actually the first time I try to double dominate it's not working. But if I try again it is. Weird.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Skarain » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:19 pm

I have been using ESF: Enchantment a while now on my Sorcerer.

Results and Bugs so far:

1st Dominate Monster, no problem

2nd Dominate Monster, the 2nd one gets enslaved, the 1'st one breaks free from domination.
-The 1st remains hostile towards it former friends AND yourself, and might attack either or both.

Recast domination upon the 1st, you have now two dominated.

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While you have 2x monsters/creatures, several problems occur. To this it doesn't matter whether they are identical creatures, or creatures of a different name/type.

1.) You are unable to "release domination" from either of the two while you have 2x dominated.

2.) You are able to control only 1x creature at a time with the Player Tool 1. While using "all associates" by targetting self, only one of the creatures move.

3.) Creatures refuse to attack while invisible, after casting Improved Invis for 50% concealment. Could be a bug or a feature. Not a big hurdle though, means just waiting through the 1round/level invisibility, so 3-6 minutes depending on caster level.

There's my bug feedback!

Ps: Also trouble "release domination" even after having the 2nd summon killed. Went further adventure with one, tried release, wouldn't trigger. Had to ask a friend to kill it. Didn't go hostile from attacking either, just stood there and took the mowing until dead.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Skarain » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:42 pm

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So, I went and did some more testing with Dominate Monster and ESF: Enchantment upon escaped Slaves in Andunor Sewers.

1:) I dominated one Slave. Nothing odd so far.
2:) I dominated a second slave. The first one broke free of control.
3:) I dominated a third slave, previously the first, the second stayed in my control.
4.) I dominated a fourth slave, all slaves stayed in my control
5.) I dominated a fifth slaves, all slaves stayed in my control.
6.) I dominated a beetle, all slaves stayed in my control
7.) I used Dominate Person from my Helm of Domination, all slaves and beetles so far stayed in my control
8.) I used Dominate Monster again, as one of my dominated NPC's killed itself vs. mobs.

.....so yes. This is not working as intended. After the 2nd domination is done (which releases your first), it breaks the "roof", and you can dominate a seemingly infinite number of NPC's if you have the spell slots.

-Every NPC can be controlled Individually with Player Tool 1.
-Trying to control "all" by targetting self with Player Tool 1 controls the FIRST NPC below your own portrait but none of the others.
-the -fetch works only on the first.
-Only the first follows you through mini-transitions, like a door that jumps a distance on the map but does not load a new map entirely.
-It's very unpredictable so far which of them respond to "follow", "stand on ground" and "attack" commands. Sometimes they do follow orders, sometimes they do not.
-They do not break free from domination for taking damage
-They can not be released from domination by the radical menu.

I'll write more if I find out other weird gimicky .

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Bjorn Blue Tiger » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:16 pm

Skarain wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:42 pm
So, I went and did some more testing with Dominate Monster and ESF: Enchantment upon escaped Slaves in Andunor Sewers.

1:) I dominated one Slave. Nothing odd so far.
2:) I dominated a second slave. The first one broke free of control.
3:) I dominated a third slave, previously the first, the second stayed in my control.
4.) I dominated a fourth slave, all slaves stayed in my control
5.) I dominated a fifth slaves, all slaves stayed in my control.
6.) I dominated a beetle, all slaves stayed in my control
7.) I used Dominate Person from my Helm of Domination, all slaves and beetles so far stayed in my control
8.) I used Dominate Monster again, as one of my dominated NPC's killed itself vs. mobs.

.....so yes. This is not working as intended. After the 2nd domination is done (which releases your first), it breaks the "roof", and you can dominate a seemingly infinite number of NPC's if you have the spell slots.

-Every NPC can be controlled Individually with Player Tool 1.
-Trying to control "all" by targetting self with Player Tool 1 controls the FIRST NPC below your own portrait but none of the others.
-the -fetch works only on the first.
-Only the first follows you through mini-transitions, like a door that jumps a distance on the map but does not load a new map entirely.
-It's very unpredictable so far which of them respond to "follow", "stand on ground" and "attack" commands. Sometimes they do follow orders, sometimes they do not.
-They do not break free from domination for taking damage
-They can not be released from domination by the radical menu.

I'll write more if I find out other weird gimicky .

Is this fixed yet?

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Skarain » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:09 pm

As far as i know, no. Then again i have not been playing for a month, due to being on a vacation.

I will check in 2-3 weeks once i get back.

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Post by monkeywithstick » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:12 pm

No fix yet. I tested at the weekend.
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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Lidda » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:36 am

Piri wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:07 am
Still not working most of the time. Occasionally I can get two followers with dominate monster. Usually it just drops the other one as soon as I cast on a second though.

The issue is still present as described above, tested this weekend with double Dominate Monster and combo of Dominate Person plus Monster, too.
Once out of four goes I managed to dominate two at once, in the other three tries it simply replaced the first controlled monster with the second.
Also once the two are dominated, only one of them actually follows orders, the other one gets stuck after transition (that is when using the player tool to control associate).

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Im Batman » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:03 pm

Adding to this:

Enchantment on my Warlock is now allowing me to Dominate more that 1 person. I only have greater spell focus on my Faylock.

I can dominate 4 people, none of which have the halo over the head, and i cannot kick them out of Party.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Gillesbreton » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:04 pm

Still not working as intended. Dominate is still cancelling out the first domination.
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Post by godhand- » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:45 am

double dominate does work, i assume its a glitch with the way it turns them into henchmen instead of dominated creatures??

Dominate npc 1
Dominate npc 2 - lose 1st, gain 2nd
Dominate npc 1 again, now have both.

Although there is an infinite number of dominates now possible after the above is actioned, all adding to hte party. - i have confirmed this by uising a wand of dominate person in the cordor sewers.
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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by godhand- » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:47 am

Skarain wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:42 pm

-Every NPC can be controlled Individually with Player Tool 1.
-Trying to control "all" by targetting self with Player Tool 1 controls the FIRST NPC below your own portrait but none of the others.
-the -fetch works only on the first.
-Only the first follows you through mini-transitions, like a door that jumps a distance on the map but does not load a new map entirely.
-It's very unpredictable so far which of them respond to "follow", "stand on ground" and "attack" commands. Sometimes they do follow orders, sometimes they do not.
-They do not break free from domination for taking damage
-They can not be released from domination by the radical menu.

I'll write more if I find out other weird gimicky .
I've found using buffs on them once dominated - more specifically, invisibility and potentially a few other effects breaks their AI and they become useless until the duration of the concealment wears off, responding to no commands at all.
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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Skarain » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:58 am

The invis thing applies to all henchmen more or less, including if only just 1 dominate or with one or two hired henchmen. Casting See invis on them helps in some cases, but not all.

Personally, I've moved on. I play an Illusionist Sorcerer rather than an Enchanter nowadays. Enchantment can still be good, and Confusion, Mind Fog and Mass Hold Person are useful spells to disable large groups of mobs or people. Cheesing dialogues with charms and dominates is also fun(though does not work with all NPC's), and a bonus to bluff/perform/persuade can be worth to some. You simply do not feel as good with Enchantment, as the capstone is bugged and the developer who planned an Epic Spell cookie for Encha have moved on.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by cakewalk » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:29 am

Order an invis follower to bash something and it starts working again. It’s only invis, not conceal that breaks ai, but as soon as it loses invis it works again.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by cakewalk » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:54 am

Light bump here. With the specialist changes going in, is this years old bug being worked on still? It has never worked since being added.

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Re: Double Dominate not working!

Post by Kalopsia » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm

It's been a good while, but I'm happy to say this will be fixed soon. A fix is in the pipeline! :)

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